Are stops a complete joke ?

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This is your Paul Tudor Jones:

In 1990, Jones pleaded guilty to illegally filling protected wetlands on his estate, and paid a $2 million settlement

And that has to do with "averaging into a losing trade", how?
 
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And that has to do with "averaging into a losing trade", how?



Personality. Successful trading is based on personality. This is who paul is. Im sure he cheats or nobody will even know.
 
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Personality. Successful trading is based on personality.

So... "averaging into losers" is a winning strategy... IF you have "the right personality"?
 
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So... "averaging into losers" is a winning strategy... IF you have "the right personality"?

That is right, if u know how to add.
 
Quote from emg:

That is right, if u know how to add.

You've outed yourself as either a noob or a fool. Not going to waste time reading anything else you care to post... ON IGNORE!
 
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stops a complete joke when day trading Emini S&P 500 futures. To become a successful ES traders, must add to average down/up when the market goes against you.

In order to do that, a minimum $100K account and begin trading 1 contract. That is the key to successful day trading es.

Those who use stops or has less than $50K account are doomed and are part of 97% of beginners/amateur traders lose day trading in the futures market.

I know that 99% of the people disagreed with me because they don't have enough money to day trade.

Like what the CFTC said in the disclaimer: Futures Trading is not for everybody and risk capital must be used.


Unfortunately, 97% of the traders DO NO UNDERSTAND THAT.


that said!!!



+1
 
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Anyone have any tips to avoid this ? This is like the 20th time this has happened and is highly annoying and costly. Are stops a lame way to take out relative newbies like myself ???


Ugh. No bueno :-(
What about:

1) Set multiple stop levels so that the average is your desired stop. You'll have some units close, and some much farther away.

2) Use an ATR based stop. I like this one, but it tends to give much wider stops, so your position has to be sized accordingly. It does tend to keep you out of "noise" stop outs but still protect you against a major reversal.

3) Try a "2-strikes and you're out" approach. You have fairly tight stops and you see that you're hit pretty often but then price takes off. In this case, Trade 1/2 or 2/3 your normal size and as soon as your are stopped, set an order to get back if your stop is hit. If you're stopped again, you're done on this trade. Since your size is reduced, it's not much more than a single stop out.
 
Quote from emg:

stops a complete joke when day trading Emini S&P 500 futures. To become a successful ES traders, must add to average down/up when the market goes against you.

In order to do that, a minimum $100K account and begin trading 1 contract. That is the key to successful day trading es.

Those who use stops or has less than $50K account are doomed and are part of 97% of beginners/amateur traders lose day trading in the futures market.

I know that 99% of the people disagreed with me because they don't have enough money to day trade.

Like what the CFTC said in the disclaimer: Futures Trading is not for everybody and risk capital must be used.


Unfortunately, 97% of the traders DO NO UNDERSTAND THAT.


that said!!!


+1
 
Quote from zanek:

What the hell ! I know people tend to cluster their stops around s/r and lowest lows, but it seems whenever I set a stop well below these points (~2%), I get stopped out with the price dipping below my stop by a couple of cents and then shooting up. I've been correct almost every time but stops are killing me. I'm doing swing trading mostly now.


Ugh. No bueno :-(

The market is telling you something. Why do you not listen?

You could frame your observation out in a more productive way, such as:

"I have noticed that once price drops 2% below recent swing lows, there seems to be a definite edge to the upside."

Now if you can define "2% lows" you can backtest this observation for different holding periods or exit strategies, etc, to see if your observation is in fact correct.

Or, you could just start trading this with small size and see what happens.

Listen to the market and let it teach you.
 
I agree, took me several yrs to figure out how to properly add in order to take advantage of the S&P MR structure....I still use an ultimate stop in case of unexpected news but as far as day to day trading in the ES, I find that it always follows the same routine.

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That is right, if u know how to add.
 
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