AOC calls the Electoral College a 'scam,' ....

Wait, isn't that the way it works now anyway? The EC gets the popular vote? That's what the Dems want, so nothing will change.

And actually, the 10th Circuit out in Denver just ruled that a State's EC votes "don't" have to go with the popular vote. Trumpy could bribe CA's EC voters and carry California now.

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Here ya go.

Court: Electoral College members not bound by popular vote
By DAN ELLIOTTAugust 21, 2019


DENVER (AP) — A U.S. appeals court in Denver said Electoral College members can vote for the presidential candidate of their choice and aren’t bound by the popular vote in their states.

The 10th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled Tuesday that the Colorado secretary of state violated the Constitution in 2016 when he removed an elector and nullified his vote because the elector refused to cast his ballot for Democrat Hillary Clinton, who won the popular vote.

The ruling applies only to Colorado and five other states in the 10th Circuit: Kansas, New Mexico, Oklahoma, Utah and Wyoming.

It could influence future cases nationwide in the unlikely event that enough Electoral College members strayed from their states’ popular vote to affect the outcome of a presidential election, constitutional scholars said.

The Electoral College system is established in the Constitution. When voters cast a ballot for president, they are actually choosing members of the Electoral College, called electors, who are pledged to that presidential candidate. The electors then choose the president.

Electors almost always vote for the popular vote winner, and some states have laws requiring them to do so.

But the split decision by a three-judge panel on the Denver appeals court said the Constitution allows electors to cast their votes at their own discretion. “The state does not possess countervailing authority to remove an elector and to cancel his vote in response to the exercise of that Constitutional right,” the ruling said.

The elector at the center of the case, Micheal Baca, was part of a group known as “Hamilton electors” who tried to convince electors who were pledged to Clinton or Donald Trump to unite behind a consensus candidate to deny Trump the presidency.

After a flurry of filings in state and federal courts, the electors met on Dec. 19, 2016, and Baca crossed out Clinton’s name on his ballot and wrote in John Kasich, the Republican governor of Ohio who also ran for president.

Then-Secretary of State Wayne Williams refused to count the vote and removed Baca as an elector. He replaced him with another elector who voted for Clinton.

Colorado’s current secretary of state, Jena Griswold, decried the ruling Tuesday in Colorado but did not immediately say if she would appeal.

“This court decision takes power from Colorado voters and sets a dangerous precedent,” she said. “Our nation stands on the principle of one person, one vote.”

Baca’s attorneys said the U.S. Supreme Court will likely hear the case because it conflicts with a decision from Washington state’s Supreme Court. That court said in May that electors could be fined for not casting ballots for the popular vote winner.

Constitutional scholars were skeptical, saying a conflicting opinion from a state court system has less influence on the Supreme Court than one from another federal appeals court. No other federal appeals court is believed to have ruled in a similar case.

“The court just might think this isn’t something that demands our attention right now,” said Michael Morley, a professor at the Florida State University College of Law.

The court ruling in Denver could be important if a future Electoral College is so closely divided that a handful of “faithless electors” change the outcome by casting a ballot contrary to the popular vote, said Ned Foley, a professor at Ohio State University’s law school.

“This opinion would be taken very seriously,” he said. “It would be considered judicial precedent.”

But that kind of split in the Electoral College is unlikely, said Morley.

“So many individually unlikely events would have to fall in place for that,” he said.

Hundreds of electors have cast votes in the history of the nation, “and only a handful have been cast by faithless electors,” Morley said.

It wasn’t immediately clear what impact the ruling would have on a new Colorado law that pledges the state’s Electoral College votes to the winner of the national popular vote if enough other states with a total of at least 270 electoral votes do the same.

It would ensure the winner of the popular vote wins the Electoral College and becomes president.

Tuesday’s ruling could undermine the law by prohibiting the state from requiring electors to vote for the popular vote winner, said Frank McNulty, an adviser to Protect Colorado’s Vote, which wants voters to overturn the law. But the ruling could also free electors to decide on their own to support the candidate with the most votes nationally, he said.

“It is a double-edge decision,” he said.
I just wanted to add that this is not as cut and dried as it might seem. The Constitution is completely silent on the matter of whether Electors shall be bound. It leaves the manner of choosing electors up to the states. Therefore one possible interpretation is that the States are therefore free to bind their electors if they so legislate. All that is Constitutionally required is that each state's electors cast two votes, one for president and one for vice president (See 12th Amendment). Therefore, the Circuit Court Ruling could conceivably be overturned by the Supreme Court. Given the make-up of the Current Court however, I wouldn't expect it to do so..

I also think there may be a nuance here not mentioned in the media report of the case. Colorado voters did pass, I believe, a law spelling out the circumstances under which their electors would be bound to cast their votes for the presidential candidate, and their running mate, that won the popular vote nationally, regardless of the within-state vote. However this may have been after the Clinton -Trump election. That's something I am not sure about. If the Baca incident preceded the passing of the Colorado legislation binding Colorado electors under certain circumstances, then Baca could be a one-off ruling that might not conflict with the Colorado law, as the law can not be retroactive...
 
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The problem is a democrat can get millions more votes and still lose.
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http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2012/11/trump-is-election-nights-most-unhinged-goper.html?gtm=bottom

Donald Trump Wins Election Night’s ‘Most Unhinged Conservative’ Award
By Dan Amira

Long before the popular vote had been finalized — we’re talking hours and hours, if not days — the world’s most celebrated village idiot, Donald Trump, took to Twitter to call for revolution because Obama had won the election without receiving the most votes. (Not long after, Obama took the lead in the popular vote.) For this wonderfully insane tirade — some of which has since been deleted, but which we have preserved in its entirety — Trump wins Daily Intel’s Election Night Most Unhinged ConservativeAward:


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http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2012/11/trump-is-election-nights-most-unhinged-goper.html?gtm=bottom

Donald Trump Wins Election Night’s ‘Most Unhinged Conservative’ Award
By Dan Amira

Long before the popular vote had been finalized — we’re talking hours and hours, if not days — the world’s most celebrated village idiot, Donald Trump, took to Twitter to call for revolution because Obama had won the election without receiving the most votes. (Not long after, Obama took the lead in the popular vote.) For this wonderfully insane tirade — some of which has since been deleted, but which we have preserved in its entirety — Trump wins Daily Intel’s Election Night Most Unhinged ConservativeAward:



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Proportional representation in the EC already flys here. In two states the electors are proportioned acording to the vote within the state.


That is a very specific case where EC votes in some states are proportioned out but only one winner in the overall election...
 
She gets coverage because she’s cute.
Guys wanna fuck her and girls wanna look like her.
The fact that she’s a complete and utter moron also makes her a media darling...no different than train wrecks or Trumpy trolling or whatever.


If AOC makes a sound in the forest and FOX does not cover her, does she make a sound?
 
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