PFG is a very solid firm they are #30 on future's mag top futures brokers and they are very well cap, they also offer mt-4 now, comm is kind of high at $10.50 rt on 100k but they told me they are not in the business to trade against there clients, they have very large clients on the future side and forex side of business, im using there mt-4 demo, spreads during the time i trade is 4 pips add in $10.50 thats a little over 5 pips i can live with that, also i can trade up to 100mill per trade on there mt-4 platform so im thinking about going with mt-4, thanks to all that reply.