Giving the Government control of the healthcare industry would be a complete disaster. I mean, they have such a great track record with everything else they touch.
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Anyone else worried about the new Healthcare 'repeal' tabled by the GOP?
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Giving the Government control of the healthcare industry would be a complete disaster. I mean, they have such a great track record with everything else they touch.
Medicare works quite well and seniors love it.Personally I'd take medicare over dealing with blue cross and their bullshit any day.
Yeh definitely need to force the insurance companies to compete across state lines, looks like the Republicans are just as owned as the democrats by the insurance lobby, there is no logical reason this shouldnt be in the bill by the point, other than crooked politicians serving themselves.
Huge embarrassment for Ryan. Close to half House republicans are either dead set against it or don't like it enough to support it. Could be DOA in Senate if Paul and few others oppose it.
Rand Paul had some good observations in Breitbart interview. This plan keeps obamacare subsidies, just shifts them to government through tax credits. Like universities do to soak up all financial aid, insurers will raise rates to sop up all subsidies. Instead we need a plan that eliminates subsidies and uses more competition in insurance to get rates down. Gee, wonder why they didn't go that way?
Rand Paul had some good observations in Breitbart interview. This plan keeps obamacare subsidies, just shifts them to government through tax credits. Like universities do to soak up all financial aid, insurers will raise rates to sop up all subsidies. Instead we need a plan that eliminates subsidies and uses more competition in insurance to get rates down. Gee, wonder why they didn't go that way?
I may have spoke to soon.......brilliant, if true.....
Meanwhile, President Trump has promised a full-court press to rally support for RyanCare while reportedly saying that if the House GOP's ObamaCare repeal and replace plan fails to pass, then he'll simply let ObamaCare fail and will blame the Democrats.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-03-09/opposition-ryancare-mounts-trump-promises-full-court-press
IF TRUE, is Trump setting up both sides to fail? Ryan to fail. And Obamacare to fail? Whats left? The original repeal agenda.... ?
I won't hold my breathe. But Trump didnt come all this way to fuck us on Obamacare. Makes no sense.... He's a tricky son of b. This might be a trap. Fits his personality perfectly. It's a troll. Sure Ryan. Sure Obamacare. BOOM> Looks like we do it my way... etc.
Meanwhile, President Trump has promised a full-court press to rally support for RyanCare while reportedly saying that if the House GOP's ObamaCare repeal and replace plan fails to pass, then he'll simply let ObamaCare fail and will blame the Democrats.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-03-09/opposition-ryancare-mounts-trump-promises-full-court-press
IF TRUE, is Trump setting up both sides to fail? Ryan to fail. And Obamacare to fail? Whats left? The original repeal agenda.... ?
I won't hold my breathe. But Trump didnt come all this way to fuck us on Obamacare. Makes no sense.... He's a tricky son of b. This might be a trap. Fits his personality perfectly. It's a troll. Sure Ryan. Sure Obamacare. BOOM> Looks like we do it my way... etc.
Conservatives need to accept that health care is not just another consumer good. We are not going to leave people without care because they foolishly didn't get insurance or did stupid stuff. Similarly, we will give illegal aliens some care, eg emergency care and inoculations, but then they get deported.
You cannot have mandated coverage for pre-existing conditions without a mandate to be covered or some equivalent.. Otherwise, you get the free rider problem. It is not enough to say we will make them pay more, because as a practical matter, we are not going to turn them away from the ER when they show up with a gunshot wound.
The fact is, taxpayers will have to cover these costs, in one form or another. Obamacare and this plan are both exercises in disguising this fact.
You cannot have mandated coverage for pre-existing conditions without a mandate to be covered or some equivalent.. Otherwise, you get the free rider problem. It is not enough to say we will make them pay more, because as a practical matter, we are not going to turn them away from the ER when they show up with a gunshot wound.
The fact is, taxpayers will have to cover these costs, in one form or another. Obamacare and this plan are both exercises in disguising this fact.
Except for the fact that it is going broke. Medicare and Social Security are the two biggest items in the budget and both desperately need healthy hardworking young people to be born or immigrate here to keep them afloat. But it's not a Ponzi scheme, that would be illegal.
Many problems in health insurance.
1. Employer-provided coverage is inefficient and skews system, as well as putting enormous costs on employers.
2. Pre-existing conditions are huge problem that other types of insurance do not face.
3. Current system is very unfair to people who do not get employer-provided coverage. Obamacare made it actually much worse.
4. Free rider problem is essentially unsolvable, unless you are prepared to let people die on the sidewalk.
5. Drug pricing seems out of control.
1. Employer-provided coverage is inefficient and skews system, as well as putting enormous costs on employers.
2. Pre-existing conditions are huge problem that other types of insurance do not face.
3. Current system is very unfair to people who do not get employer-provided coverage. Obamacare made it actually much worse.
4. Free rider problem is essentially unsolvable, unless you are prepared to let people die on the sidewalk.
5. Drug pricing seems out of control.
Interesting dilemma. It's better than what we have I suppose. Probably all we can pass now. Passing it now means onward to tax reform. They say it is structured to more easily repeal or modify when it starts going broke. They should just expand medicaid and be done with it. Me? I'd like to see a clean ACA repeal. Who are they afraid of, the NYT? Crazy logic, Obamacare is bad, but if we repeal it it will be just like it was before the bad Obamacare was enacted. It will be like Obama and Nancy are still reading it before they pass it to find out what is in it.
Yeah, i think the answer lies somewhere in the middle, with both a private/public healthcare system.
The funny thing is that all of these liberals in Canada who brag about how good our shitty healthcare system is, will not allow private healthcare companies to open up, even though the private healthcare system would take a massive burden off the public one, and would also mean better healthcare for everyone who makes it a priority.
They are blocking any privatised healthcare facilities from opening up, because in their mind, its better that everyone gets healthcare that is shitty, (with long wait lines) Than it is to allow some people to choose to pay extra for it privately.(and have a better outcome)
This should tell you all you need to know about the envious jerkoffs we are dealing with. Of course all this does is make people who get sick, that have the money, leave the country and go to places where they have better healthcare, and it sends tax dollars over seas, but atleast at the end of the day the libs can tell themselves no fat cat billionaire is getting better access to better healthcare on their watch. Its the kind of argument a 2 year old would make.
And the best part is that they think blocking people from paying for better healthcare with their own money is actually a super moral decision.
The funny thing is that all of these liberals in Canada who brag about how good our shitty healthcare system is, will not allow private healthcare companies to open up, even though the private healthcare system would take a massive burden off the public one, and would also mean better healthcare for everyone who makes it a priority.
They are blocking any privatised healthcare facilities from opening up, because in their mind, its better that everyone gets healthcare that is shitty, (with long wait lines) Than it is to allow some people to choose to pay extra for it privately.(and have a better outcome)
This should tell you all you need to know about the envious jerkoffs we are dealing with. Of course all this does is make people who get sick, that have the money, leave the country and go to places where they have better healthcare, and it sends tax dollars over seas, but atleast at the end of the day the libs can tell themselves no fat cat billionaire is getting better access to better healthcare on their watch. Its the kind of argument a 2 year old would make.
And the best part is that they think blocking people from paying for better healthcare with their own money is actually a super moral decision.
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