Anybody on the Zone diet, and taking huge doses of fish oil?

Will check the 2nd site. Eating academy site I have seen. It had some fantastic series on cholesterol. My problem is that what they advocate w.r.t reasons for weight gain, inflammation, heart diseases etc is very different from what McDougall is saying. I am not even getting into good calories/bad calories etc. I am just on the basic principles. Difficult to see how both can be right.
 
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Difficult to see how both can be right.
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Genetics.

Simple well-proven example: some people do well eating grains, others do very poorly.

Grains are poison to me (and my side of the family). My wife and daughters eat them with no problems.
 
I know. My only point is that even if say, grains are ok with your family, still, should they be eating that or focusing on something else. So if all food items are tolerable with me, which ones should I eat and which ones should I not.
 
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I know. My only point is that even if say, grains are ok with your family, still, should they be eating that or focusing on something else. So if all food items are tolerable with me, which ones should I eat and which ones should I not.
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You may need to experiment.

The fact that grains don't make you physically ill doesn't mean that you do well with them. Stop eating grains for a month and see what happens. You may lose weight, have better energy levels, etc. That's what happened to my neighbor. He no longer eats grains. The only way to know for sure is to try it in a disciplined way for a long enough time to get results.
 
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I ate vegetables and fruits without restriction and was hungry all the time. I was consuming almost 3000 calories a day. Then I stopped eating fruits. That didn't help either. Even when my stomach was full to the point of feeling nauseous, I was still hungry because metabolic hormones were masking the leptin in my bloodstream.

Does the diet you advocate have fewer that 50-75 grams of carbohydrate per day? That's what it takes to get my metabolic hormones low enough so that my brain can "hear" the leptin and send a signal to stop eating.

That was the problem for me (and millions of other people).

When I reduce my carbohydrate intake to low levels, my brain can hear the leptin and sends a signal to stop eating. My hunger instantly (within 24 hours) returned to normal levels. The hunger went away like somebody flipped a switch.

When my carbohydrate intake is low I eat about 1800-2000 calories a day. When I get hungry, I eat until unmasked leptin kicks in and my brain tells me to stop eating. The hunger just goes away.
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I wouldn't change a thing, then.

The diet I advocate recommends legumes, sweet potatoes, potatoes, squash, corn, rice and other whole grains (if you're not gluten intolerant) as the core the day's calories. If you feel hungry all the time, then you need more of these items. Fruits are fine for those without super high triglycerides. Leafy greens and cruciferous vegetables (broccoli, cabbage, cauliflower) are the "side" dishes. Nuts and seeds round things out.
 
Back to the original question, fish oil. I take a lot of it. I shoot for about 10-15 pills a day (.9mg pills). I do it to help control inflammation associated with regular athletic training. I was taking it anyway, but when I read about how much high level weightlifters were taking (50 or more pills a day) and that they titrated the amount up or down in conjunction with how much they were training, and it was solely to control inflammation and soreness, I upped my dosage. I do a lot of olympic weightlifting and if I slack off on the fish oil, my elbows and knees start to hurt. When I take more fish oil, it gets better.

I already eat an anti-inflammatory diet. Paleo with farm-raised pastured meat, no vegetable oils, no grains, no processed foods or sugar. My blood panel was stellar prior to upping my fish oil intake and I haven't done a blood test since, so can't comment on how it might affect that, but like I said, that's not why I take it.

I also agree that the omega 6:3 ratio is at the root of systemic inflammation that is the cause of most western diseases. Fish oil can help improve that, but it won't fix the situation if you eat a typically poor western diet.
 
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Back to the original question, fish oil. I take a lot of it. I shoot for about 10-15 pills a day (.9mg pills). I do it to help control inflammation associated with regular athletic training. I was taking it anyway, but when I read about how much high level weightlifters were taking (50 or more pills a day) and that they titrated the amount up or down in conjunction with how much they were training, and it was solely to control inflammation and soreness, I upped my dosage. I do a lot of olympic weightlifting and if I slack off on the fish oil, my elbows and knees start to hurt. When I take more fish oil, it gets better.

I already eat an anti-inflammatory diet. Paleo with farm-raised pastured meat, no vegetable oils, no grains, no processed foods or sugar. My blood panel was stellar prior to upping my fish oil intake and I haven't done a blood test since, so can't comment on how it might affect that, but like I said, that's not why I take it.

I also agree that the omega 6:3 ratio is at the root of systemic inflammation that is the cause of most western diseases. Fish oil can help improve that, but it won't fix the situation if you eat a typically poor western diet.
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You dont need that many pills

http://www.iherb.com/Ascenta-NutraS...pplement-Lemon-Flavor-16-9-fl-oz-500-ml/12136

Very clean. It must be stored in the fridge, zero smell or after taste. Very high in DHA/EPA 500mg of DHA and 750mg of EPA per teaspoon. Its so good you could make a salad dressing with it.

If you use iherb coupon code ZUH430 for 10 bucks

Amazon and other retailers have it as well.


Martin has a good take on why you need the DHA for recovery

http://www.leangains.com/2011/05/omega-3-fatty-acids-for-muscle-growth.html

Also the perfect time to take k2/d3
 
A little off subject but do any of you guys use a Vitamix blender? I'm using my magic bullet to mix my veggies now to up my intake of veggies and fruits but it's a lot of work and the bullet isn't really made for that much use.
 
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