Any reason not to trade 6E over EURUSD?

[Veyron 16.4]

Amusing, really amusing.

I can't give you live calls, as I have no way of redacting the trade profile, and that would reveal far too much.

Hmmmm. Let me see now, what could I possibly do here, hmmmm. (tap on the temples - pat the feet)

I'm just not coming up with anything that I can offer you right now. The only thing that makes sense from my perspective would be for me to go grab a demo account, turn it over for several weeks and then post the results here on ET. The problem with that is the fact that I would have to redact the thing half to death! You would not see very much, except the account balance growing in size. I would not be able to divulge the entry and exist levels as that is the same thing as giving it all away and I am NOT about to do something so stupid - especially with haters like most of you clowns.

If I get the time (which I seriously doubt), I'll "consider" posting results from a heavily redacted demo account after a few cycles of revenue growth, but even then, some clueless clown, not wanting to face reality will still come up with some lame excuse for why that does not show anything either.

Really, bottom line, I have nothing to prove here. I just wanted to tell my story. I did not think I would get the rude and arrogant utterances from the peanut gallery, but I must admit, some of you have turned out to be rather amusing.

I take it that there are others out there that have "figured it out," and have decided not to tell their story for not wanting to deal with the same nonsense that I'm dealing with right now here on ET. I take it that there are plenty of other people out there just like me, that have figured the darn thing out, but keep it to themselves, for not wanting to deal with igiots and mental midgets attempting to pull them down.

Look, you can't pull down what you cannot reach. So, stop trying and keep working at cracking the code for yourself and just maybe, just maybe, one day it will happen for you, too! Seriously, stop making such a fool of yourself trying to rail against that which you can't possible rail against.

That's not very smart. In fact, it is very dumb.

 

[atticus]

Quote from Veyron 16.4:

I said profit while reducing risk to a point of virtually being made moot. I also said that there is a market configuration where losing capital is possible, and that when such a market condition exists (temporarily) I might exit the trade with a loss AND said loss would be no more than a single session's worth of capital outlay.



I'm not Black-Scholes. Black-Scholes is not me. I'm not in the red - I'm in the black.



I said that my derivatives background gave me that ability to do creative thinking in the currency markets - period. I never said anything about using Currency Derivative Products in my own trading. Quite frankly, the current liquidity in the American Style Currency Options business, is not large enough for me at this stage. One day, I suspect that will change as more FX intermediaries start to offer ASO. Until then, I need to position more capital than what is safely handled by most platforms that do offer plain vanilla ASO, as ESO's will simply not work for me.

All of the listed FX options in the US are European convention... all of them; CME, PHLX, ISE, the ETFs, you name it. Euro-convention is a much larger market in the vanilla OTC realm as well, but we know you're talking listed, as you're on the record stating the liquidity isn't there. Exotics can be American or Euro, but that's far more of a path-dependent issue than in the vanilla World. And again, you're referring to listed product. You didn't know the product is Euro-style?

If you are referring to a lack of liquidity in OTC then you're even more laughable.

WTF is "back to back offset"?

You don't actually trade, do you?

 

[cabletrader]

Quote from Veyron 16.4:


That's why you most likely failed in college, right?
Your inability to read, right?
And, you have already studied the exact same things that I've studied in the markets, right?
You knew what was in my mind, at the time I was creating my ideas, right?
You were there, right?
Inside my mind, correct?
You know my thoughts, right?
You know the data I used and how I used it, what tools for analysis I build, how I built them, deployed them, tweaked them and you know for sure that NONE of it works and that it is 100% unadulterated BS, right?

lol, you posted it not me! Fibonacci, right. Money management, right. Long and short on the same pair, right. And it only took you 6 years to come up with it? No, I mean really, it sounds great!

Here it is again....did I miss anything?


Quotes from Veyron 16.4:

In the currency spot market....If you can develop non-directional trades, then you are not naked at any time and no matter what the market does, you will always turn a profit.

No "arb." No triangles.

....using a proprietary Fibonacci derivative that wraps multiple positions around the same pair

What do the numbers: 1.000, 1.618, .715, .233, .233 and .233 all have in common

I had to "tweak" the Fib numbers

What makes it work is the combination of a powerful technical approach AND a fairly cool trade strategy coupled to some keen money management

That's about as much as I am going to give you

 

[atticus]

Quote from Veyron 16.4:

If I get the time (which I seriously doubt), I'll "consider" posting results from a heavily redacted demo account

Wow, this is surreal. When can we expect the "redacted" long/short EURUSD, grid-traded, Fibonacci-derivative, demo blotter?

Demo, really?

 

[Veyron 16.4]

Quote from cabletrader:

True, he's actually ended up with a wheel all bent out of shape!

I'm all for innovative trading ideas but from what he's posted this isn't one of them.

How the heck would you possibly know that? Are you Criss Angle Mind Freak or something? Nostradamus, returned? Throw the looking glass, into the mind of another human being? Are you a Remote Viewer? If so, the CIA, NSA, NSC, AI, AFI, MI6, etc., I am certain, would like to talk to you!

Quote from cabletrader:
I don't know what his motives were for posting,

That's because you failed English 101 and 102: Reading and Comprehension. I spelled it out for you SEVERAL times already, including in the original post itself! LOL!!!! Wow - you people are funny!!!!

Eric Arthur Blair, would be so proud of you!

Quote from cabletrader:
...maybe it was an attempt to raise some capital,

On what planet? Hallucinogenia! Make-it-up-as-we-go-along-ropa! Pretty soon, you will be seeing black helicopters dropping down from outer pace and dipping into your wallet, right?

Not only have you gone from railing against that which you know nothing about foolishly, but you have now crossed the line into full blown tin-foil-hat conspiracy theory formulation of the 3rd kind!

Quote from cabletrader:
I doubt we'll see the guy again he's probably gone to find an 'easier' audience.

Remarkable! This is so incredibly human. So, incredibly sad - yet so incredibly funny - all at the same time!

Let me clue you in on something. I'm rapidly approaching the notational value limit for single orders with my bank through their platform. Check with your retail broker, they probably won't allow more than $500k orders through their platform (depending on where you trade).

I use 100:1 leverage and I am looking for WAY more, but won't find it given my requirement to NOT use fuzzy retail brokers to do my business with. I need to account balance protection of a real bank and real banks won't give you more than 100:1 in every case that I've studied.

I would love 400:1! But, I'll never get it at the levels I'm trading at. Risk, DOES - NOT - HAVE - THE - SAME - MEANING - to me that it used to in the old days. Therefore, I need all the leverage I get my hands on, yet still feel comfortable with the entity holding my account (money). That places me in a catch-22 scenario. I can get the 400:1 and really crank things up tremendously, but the quality of the entity holding my funds drops to a level that is completely unacceptable to me.

Therefore, I am stuck with slower growth than I really want. But, that slow growth STILL has me growing at about 100% per month, consistently and I'm "ok" with that. This is the state of the art, so to speak right now for me in this business. I can't do any better than that right now.

But, needing your money, is hardly the reason for my post. I make a killing every single week (literally), why on earth do I need yours?

Furthermore, I already get my hands on your money as 'it' becomes 'mine' after I exit the market and close-up my positions! Why? Because YOU are naked in the market, right? Tell me that I'm wrong about that.

Do you wear clothes to the market? Most retailers don't. They go all naked - all the time, for the most part and then wonder why they have such a hard time getting traction in this business.

I appreciate your sincere concern about snake oil, but if you cannot read in context what has been written, then that's on YOU, not me.

I just want serious and sincere minded people trying to make in this business, to not get discouraged when what they try fails to work. Those failures are NECESSARY, to propel the trader to higher levels of thought, consciousness and creativity in their trading.

THAT was the purpose behind my post.

 

[atticus]

Quote from Veyron 16.4:

I said that my derivatives background gave me that ability to do creative thinking in the currency markets - period. I never said anything about using Currency Derivative Products in my own trading. Quite frankly, the current liquidity in the American Style Currency Options business, is not large enough for me at this stage. One day, I suspect that will change as more FX intermediaries start to offer ASO. Until then, I need to position more capital than what is safely handled by most platforms that do offer plain vanilla ASO, as ESO's will simply not work for me.

Veyron -- you clearly stated in a previous post that the listed FX options are American-style, when in fact they are Euro-style. You can't possibly mean OTC, as both are offered, and countless deals are struck in the 100-500MM size each day in the OTC markets. Would you care to address your monumental brain-fart?

 

[ivanbaj]

To: Veyron 16.4:

example of clearly explained concept:

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[rolextrader]

Another thread reduced to whale shit. Glad to have played a minor part in it.

Atticus and Veryon go to a private chat; make love, not war.

 

[cabletrader]

Quote from Veyron 16.4:

How the heck would you possibly know that? Are you Criss Angle Mind Freak or something? Nostradamus, returned? Throw the looking glass, into the mind of another human being? Are you a Remote Viewer? If so, the CIA, NSA, NSC, AI, AFI, MI6, etc., I am certain, would like to talk to you!



That's because you failed English 101 and 102: Reading and Comprehension. I spelled it out for you SEVERAL times already, including in the original post itself! LOL!!!! Wow - you people are funny!!!!

Eric Arthur Blair, would be so proud of you!



On what planet? Hallucinogenia! Make-it-up-as-we-go-along-ropa! Pretty soon, you will be seeing black helicopters dropping down from outer pace and dipping into your wallet, right?

Not only have you gone from railing against that which you know nothing about foolishly, but you have now crossed the line into full blown tin-foil-hat conspiracy theory formulation of the 3rd kind!




Remarkable! This is so incredibly human. So, incredibly sad - yet so incredibly funny - all at the same time!

Let me clue you in on something. I'm rapidly approaching the notational value limit for single orders with my bank through their platform. Check with your retail broker, they probably won't allow more than $500k orders through their platform (depending on where you trade).

I use 100:1 leverage and I am looking for WAY more, but won't find it given my requirement to NOT use fuzzy retail brokers to do my business with. I need to account balance protection of a real bank and real banks won't give you more than 100:1 in every case that I've studied.

I would love 400:1! But, I'll never get it at the levels I'm trading at. Risk, DOES - NOT - HAVE - THE - SAME - MEANING - to me that it used to in the old days. Therefore, I need all the leverage I get my hands on, yet still feel comfortable with the entity holding my account (money). That places me in a catch-22 scenario. I can get the 400:1 and really crank things up tremendously, but the quality of the entity holding my funds drops to a level that is completely unacceptable to me.

Therefore, I am stuck with slower growth than I really want. But, that slow growth STILL has me growing at about 100% per month, consistently and I'm "ok" with that. This is the state of the art, so to speak right now for me in this business. I can't do any better than that right now.

But, needing your money, is hardly the reason for my post. I make a killing every single week (literally), why on earth do I need yours?

Furthermore, I already get my hands on your money as 'it' becomes 'mine' after I exit the market and close-up my positions! Why? Because YOU are naked in the market, right? Tell me that I'm wrong about that.

Do you wear clothes to the market? Most retailers don't. They go all naked - all the time, for the most part and then wonder why they have such a hard time getting traction in this business.

I appreciate your sincere concern about snake oil, but if you cannot read in context what has been written, then that's on YOU, not me.

I just want serious and sincere minded people trying to make in this business, to not get discouraged when what they try fails to work. Those failures are NECESSARY, to propel the trader to higher levels of thought, consciousness and creativity in their trading.

THAT was the purpose behind my post.

....and the hits just keep on comin'!

You don't seriously expect me to reply to all that garbage do you?


The Veyron 16.4 Hedging System - Long and Short on the same pair at the same time!:

In the currency spot market....If you can develop non-directional trades, then you are not naked at any time and no matter what the market does, you will always turn a profit.

No "arb." No triangles.

....using a proprietary Fibonacci derivative that wraps multiple positions around the same pair

What do the numbers: 1.000, 1.618, .715, .233, .233 and .233 all have in common

I had to "tweak" the Fib numbers

What makes it work is the combination of a powerful technical approach AND a fairly cool trade strategy coupled to some keen money management

That's about as much as I am going to give you

 

[dtomassino]

ET is probably the worst place you could find to come share a success story. A lot of hate going on in these pages due to the fact that most dont see beyond their own nose. Sad but true.

Quote from Veyron 16.4:

Amusing, really amusing.

I can't give you live calls, as I have no way of redacting the trade profile, and that would reveal far too much.

Hmmmm. Let me see now, what could I possibly do here, hmmmm. (tap on the temples - pat the feet)

I'm just not coming up with anything that I can offer you right now. The only thing that makes sense from my perspective would be for me to go grab a demo account, turn it over for several weeks and then post the results here on ET. The problem with that is the fact that I would have to redact the thing half to death! You would not see very much, except the account balance growing in size. I would not be able to divulge the entry and exist levels as that is the same thing as giving it all away and I am NOT about to do something so stupid - especially with haters like most of you clowns.

If I get the time (which I seriously doubt), I'll "consider" posting results from a heavily redacted demo account after a few cycles of revenue growth, but even then, some clueless clown, not wanting to face reality will still come up with some lame excuse for why that does not show anything either.

Really, bottom line, I have nothing to prove here. I just wanted to tell my story. I did not think I would get the rude and arrogant utterances from the peanut gallery, but I must admit, some of you have turned out to be rather amusing.

I take it that there are others out there that have "figured it out," and have decided not to tell their story for not wanting to deal with the same nonsense that I'm dealing with right now here on ET. I take it that there are plenty of other people out there just like me, that have figured the darn thing out, but keep it to themselves, for not wanting to deal with igiots and mental midgets attempting to pull them down.

Look, you can't pull down what you cannot reach. So, stop trying and keep working at cracking the code for yourself and just maybe, just maybe, one day it will happen for you, too! Seriously, stop making such a fool of yourself trying to rail against that which you can't possible rail against.

That's not very smart. In fact, it is very dumb.