Quote from Barth Vader:
OK, the question is:
How far do we allow government to invade our freedom in pursuit of drunk drivers...........where does the line get drawn ?
tempora mutantur, et nos mutamur in illis
Quote from omegapoint:
You can think of it as invasion of privacy or freedom FROM drunks getting you or your loved ones killed. Freedom FROM seldom gets as much consideration.
Quote from drjekyllus:
We all have to be safe. Forget individual freedom, safety is key. I also suggest all men have their penis cut off so we can get the rape under control. Everyone can have their hands cut off so they can't steal. They should also have their legs chopped off so they can't run from the police. Wow, this is going to be great. No one will have a penis, no with have any hands, and no one will have any legs, and WE WILL ALL BE SAFE.
On the other hand, how about we gather up all the left-wing fruit-loops in the country and we send them to Europe so that freedom loving individuals in the good old U S of A are safe from tyranny and those who would destroy our personal freedoms and liberties. That sounds like the best safety net of all.
Quote from drjekyllus:
We all have to be safe. Forget individual freedom, safety is key. I also suggest all men have their penis cut off so we can get the rape under control. Everyone can have their hands cut off so they can't steal. They should also have their legs chopped off so they can't run from the police. Wow, this is going to be great. No one will have a penis, no with have any hands, and no one will have any legs, and WE WILL ALL BE SAFE.
On the other hand, how about we gather up all the left-wing fruit-loops in the country and we send them to Europe so that freedom loving individuals in the good old U S of A are safe from tyranny and those who would destroy our personal freedoms and liberties. That sounds like the best safety net of all.
Quote from Barth Vader:
I would agree with you, except you have left three important points out of the equation:
1) Remove the tongue, so no evil could be spoken against the central government.
2) Remove the ears, so no evil spoken against the central government could be heard,
3) Remove the eyes, so no citizen could see the evil done by government employees.
[Now, of course, government employees will need to have all of their parts and pieces, so they will be able to "serve" the citizenry, and procreate, so that we may be able to replenish the government ranks]
Add those three ingredients, and I believe we will have achieved perfect safety and tranquility..............
Quote from Mom0/pH0x:
if you had been to europe lately you'd know that europe is a FAR more free society than the united states... if you knew your politics at all you'd also know that this tyrannical rape of rights in the name of DUI prosecution is overwhelmingly an instrument of the right wing, not the left wing...
Quote from drjekyllus:
LOL. Please tell me this a joke. In Germany if you don't accept a job as a prostitute they will take your unemployment benefits. MoFo, if that is freedom, then let freedom ring. Everyone should have their daughters forced to have sex with strange men by the state. Its freedom. Barney Frank would take the job as a gay prostitute and enjoy it.
Quote from Mom0/pH0x:
you are a pretty big sucker for that propaganda... furthermore i'd think you were against unemployment benefits anyways and wouldn't want your family on them in any case... i can, however, tell you that your little propaganda piece above isn't convincing to even the stupidest here, many here actually have traveled and know it's ridiculous...