ANTI-WAR/USA BASHERS: WHERE ARE YOU NOW, MFERS?!?!

[KymarFye]

Nice, Max - very entertaining collection.

Someone just sent me a link to a site that has collected a special "Gloat and Quote Edition" of erroneous media predictions - though it does tend more to offer examples of left-tending leading questions and hysterical headlines than the unadulterated idiocy shown in Sullivan's "Von Hoffman Award" candidates.

Such as:

+ Looking Forward to a Long War
John McWethy: “As the U.S. begins to really squeeze Baghdad, U.S. intelligence sources are saying that some of Saddam Hussein’s toughest security forces are now apparently digging in, apparently willing to defend their city block by block. This could be, Peter, a long war.”
Peter Jennings: “As many people had anticipated.”
-- ABC’s World News Tonight, April 4.

+ Conventional Idiocy
“Steadfast, but his war cluelessly flings open the gates of hell, making any sort of victory Pyrrhic.”
-- Newsweek’s April 7 “Conventional Wisdom” column, explaining why President Bush deserved a “down arrow” for the week.

+ March 23 CyberAlert: Celebrating how the “right to assemble against the government is one of the signature freedoms that makes America America,” ABC reporter Chris Cuomo late Saturday morning offered a very benign description of the goals of the anti-war protesters: “They want government accountability, they want environmental justice and, most of all, they're calling for peace.” Cuomo trumpeted how in “American history protests like this have been prescient indicators of the national mood” so, he advised, “the government may do well to listen to what's said today.”

http://www.mediaresearch.org/cyberalerts/2003/cyb20030409_extra.asp

 

[max401]

Quote from KymarFye:

Nice, Max - very entertaining collection.

Someone just sent me a link to a cite that has collected a special "Gloat and Quote Edition" of erroneous media predictions - though it does tend more to offer examples of left-tending leading questions and hysterical headlines than the unadulterated idiocy shown in Sullivan's "Von Hoffman Award" candidates.

Such as:

+ Looking Forward to a Long War
John McWethy: “As the U.S. begins to really squeeze Baghdad, U.S. intelligence sources are saying that some of Saddam Hussein’s toughest security forces are now apparently digging in, apparently willing to defend their city block by block. This could be, Peter, a long war.”
Peter Jennings: “As many people had anticipated.”
-- ABC’s World News Tonight, April 4.

+ Conventional Idiocy
“Steadfast, but his war cluelessly flings open the gates of hell, making any sort of victory Pyrrhic.”
-- Newsweek’s April 7 “Conventional Wisdom” column, explaining why President Bush deserved a “down arrow” for the week.

+ March 23 CyberAlert: Celebrating how the “right to assemble against the government is one of the signature freedoms that makes America America,” ABC reporter Chris Cuomo late Saturday morning offered a very benign description of the goals of the anti-war protesters: “They want government accountability, they want environmental justice and, most of all, they're calling for peace.” Cuomo trumpeted how in “American history protests like this have been prescient indicators of the national mood” so, he advised, “the government may do well to listen to what's said today.”

http://www.mediaresearch.org/cyberalerts/2003/cyb20030409_extra.asp

We have Iraq '91 and recently Afghanistan. Just because of a small scew up in Africa in 1993, its doom and gloom. Mostly liberal commentators and press, they can't stand the political implications of a military success, not for the nation, for the Republicans. Pretty damn sad.

In any event, if the economy turns around before the next election, Bush has a lock on four more years.

 

[max401]

Quote from rs7:



Max, missed the "tirade". I am sure though that FOX got their money's worth.

As an aside, just curious......Max, do you think Jonathan Pollard got a square deal? Didn't get shot, but got a life sentence. What's your take on that my brother?

Rs7

What are your facts applied to or known about Pollard?

 

[BlueHorseshoe]

Quote from max401:

Mostly liberal commentators and press, they can't stand the political implications of a military success, not for the nation, for the Republicans. Pretty damn sad.

One of the great attractions of the market is that it holds every idiot accountable. If your wrong, you will pay in dollars and cents in proportion to your lunacy.

There will be no accountability for the overwhelming majority of delusional naysayers of the last sixty days. That is why protesting is so easy - a riskless, and cheap, put option for the protester. The increased risk is born by the incremental war casualties ...

 

[KymarFye]

Quote from BlueHorseshoe:



One of the great attractions of the market is that it holds every idiot accountable. If your wrong, you will pay in dollars and cents in proportion to your lunacy.

There will be no accountability for the overwhelming majority of delusional naysayers of the last sixty days. That is why protesting is so easy - a riskless, and cheap, put option for the protester. The increased risk is born by the incremental war casualties ...

From Victor Davis Hanson's latest column:

In general, the media has now gone from the hysteria of the Armageddon of Afghanistan to the quagmire of Iraq to the looting in Baghdad — the only constant is slanted coverage, mistaken analysis, and the absence of any contriteness about being in error and in error in such a manner that reflected so poorly upon themselves and damaged the country at large at a time of war. It is as if only further bad news could serve as a sort of catharsis that might at least cleanse them of any unease about being so wrong so predictably and so often.

In the weeks that follow, the media, not the military, will be shown to be in need of introspection and vast reform. Partly the problem arises from the breakneck desire of reporters to obtain near celebrity status by causing controversy and spectacle. Many (especially executives) also came of age in Vietnam and are thus desperate to recapture past glory when once upon a time their efforts made them stars and changed our national culture. Reporters are cultural relativists, who never ask themselves how many more people are tortured and die because of their own complicity with a murderous regime. Ignorance also is endemic. Few read of history’s great sieges and the bedlam that always follows conquest, liberation, and the birth of a new order. Arrogance abounds that journalists are to be above reproach and thus deserve to be moral censors in addition to simply recording the news.

So while it is censorious of politicians and soldiers, the media is completely uninterested in monitoring its own behavior. Would Mr. Rather have gone to Berlin amid the SS to interview Hitler in his bunker as the fires of Auschwitz raged? Would NPR reporters have visited Hitler’s Germany, paid bribes to Mr. Goebbels, and then broadcasted allied shortcomings at the Bulge, oblivious to the Nazi machinery of death and their own complicity in it?

Whole thing at:

http://www.nationalreview.com/hanson/hanson041403.asp

 

[yabz]

The dancing on the street may not be all it seems.

 

[max401]

Quote from yabz:

The dancing on the street may not be all it seems.

This is like the widely spread photo of the tourist on top of the WTC with a 757 in the background heading directly towards it. This one is another hoax photo.

1. The two men in the photo, while similar are not neccessarily the same person;

2. It cannot be determined where the photo of the man holding up the "V" was taken;

3. The many, many news service videos depicting happiness on the part of the Iraqis country-wide completely belie the claim of the photo;

4. It is on a Russian web site.

Next case.

 

[darkhorse]

am i crazy or was that billy joel???



play me a song, you're the planted man...

 

[KymarFye]

Quote from yabz:

The dancing on the street may not be all it seems.

1. The photo appears to have been taken some indeterminate time after the statue was taken down.

2. It doesn't matter how many Iraqis were actually present in the square on the evening of April 9. Most citizens of the capital very likely didn't even know what was happening, but were instead in their homes, without electricity.

What matters is that the statue of SH was taken down at the center of the capital. That even one Iraqi could do it meant that the police state had lost control. That it could be done at all meant that SH had lost control of his capital city. That no Iraqis offered opposition proved what everyone already knew: The idea that the populace fervently supported SH, and fervently opposed the coalition, was a joke. For sheer numbers, the turnout along the roadsides, the jubilation among everyday people in city after city, and the lack of any popular uprising on the Baath Party's behalf, were (and still are) adequate evidence of Iraqi feelings.

3. If there argument is supposed to be about the media, there is tons of evidence as to which way the mass media, even the American mass media, have been biased. Some of the evidence has already been presented on this thread. Some fools maintain a belief that the mass media are biased in favor of the US, and that the European or even the Arab media have offered a more objective picture. On ET, as elsewhere, they make their charges, but, when challenged, prove incapable of providing evidence.

But why should the facts perturb you? Keep on staring at your web site (I believe this little initiative began with IndyMidiocy), and soon you may start seeing the statue right back where you'd like it to be, with the Baath regime still in power, and the army valiantly defending the country inch by inch for Saddam's eternal glory.

 

[msfe]

Quote from KymarFye:

Some fools maintain a belief that the mass media are biased in favor of the US, and that the European or even the Arab media have offered a more objective picture. On ET, as elsewhere, they make their charges, but, when challenged, prove incapable of providing evidence.

Widerstand gegen "Brainwashington" (resistance against "Brainwashington")

Von Jochen Bölsche

Weltweit wächst die Wut über die Kriegspolitiker und Hirnwäscher im Weißen Haus. "Der Ekel, angelogen zu werden", veranlasst auch Hunderttausende junger Amerikaner, sich zur Wehr zu setzen. Wichtigste Waffe der neuen "Internationale des Friedens" ist das Internet.

http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/0,1518,240150,00.html