Another senseless asshole with a gun killing innocent people.

It was known as combat exhaustion. In WWI is was shell shock. It's always been with us. The name changes, the symptoms always the same. What did pervious vets do? They drank and drugged themselves into oblivion. They filled the mental institutions. They lived the lives of the real walking dead. Any and every mental and emotional problem that one has will be brought to the surface in combat. Every suppressed demon will be unleashed.
constitutionman is 100% correct. It is a crime the way returning vets are discarded, a crime of indifference. Count these 12 dead, and the shooter himself, among the casualties of the war. You want monsters to keep the world safe? Then you better have some way to de-monster the monster when they come home, otherwise this is the price.
Excellent post. In this case, according to this article, he was recently cleared by mental health experts. We have to figure out a better way on how to deal with this. There definitely needs to be more followup.

Cops Determined Marine Veteran Wasn’t a Danger Before Thousand Oaks, California, Shooting
Ian David Long, 28, cleared a mental-health check by police months before he opened fire on a bar packed with college students, killing 12 people.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/ian-long-identified-as-thousand-oaks-california-shooting-gunman
 
Excellent post. In this case, according to this article, he was recently cleared by mental health experts. We have to figure out a better way on how to deal with this. There definitely needs to be more followup.

Cops Determined Marine Veteran Wasn’t a Danger Before Thousand Oaks, California, Shooting
Ian David Long, 28, cleared a mental-health check by police months before he opened fire on a bar packed with college students, killing 12 people.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/ian-long-identified-as-thousand-oaks-california-shooting-gunman
interesting...didn't read the article but I wonder if he cleared such a check and was on (or just recently taken off) SSRI meds.
 
This hits home so close for me. What he did was cowardly and a disgrace to his service and the people whom he served. poor innocent people died and there is no excuse for that.
First of all, we had a much better family system of support during the WWII era. there was less access to guns and drugs and we had much better government services and support for vets. WWII was a righteous and clearly good vs. evil war. our recent wars have been more politically motivated, more prolonged with no end goals. no one questioned why we fought in WWII but we have had opposition to most of the other ones we fought, especially the recent ones.
Second of all, there are so many failure points here that I don't even know where to start. most important one, he shouldn't have had access to firearms, cause as you said people can get messed up. apparently, he had an incident with the law enforcement and they checked on him and they let him go after they figured out he had a mental issue. this kid was obviously gone but our system shares the blame and the shame with him. if we had a solid background check and a database that was available to all of the LE folks, this could have been maybe prevented. VA, DOJ, local Police, and other agencies all need to be able to communicate and share information.

lastly, this doesn't tarnish the MC, it's a stain on our system as a whole (politicians, gun nuts, health care system that cares more about profits than caring and ...)
Good solutions to all these problems are known, solutions that do not in any unreasonable way infringe on anyone's constitutional rights.
 
The only thing that makes any sense about this is... "I'm in pain, nobody listens to me, so I'll kill some people and then someone will listen to me." Are these killings a cry for help ? I don't understand it. I don't think we had these mass shootings after WW2, Korea, Vietnam... Not like this. Senseless and bewildering. I seem to remember reading about the occasional Vietnam vet coming home and killing their nagging spouse but I don't recall reading or hearing about shooting a dozen victims.

What is the psychological need fulfilled in murdering civilians ?
 
More proof that handguns and "assualt weapons" need to be banned. If you can't defend your house with shotguns and rifles, tough shit, you're a paranoid asshole then. Or a gun nut, same thing.
 
The only thing that makes any sense about this is... "I'm in pain, nobody listens to me, so I'll kill some people and then someone will listen to me." Are these killings a cry for help ? I don't understand it. I don't think we had these mass shootings after WW2, Korea, Vietnam... Not like this. Senseless and bewildering. I seem to remember reading about the occasional Vietnam vet coming home and killing their nagging spouse but I don't recall reading or hearing about shooting a dozen victims.

What is the psychological need fulfilled in murdering civilians ?
It’s about punishing the innocent.
I think it’s just that simple. And complicated.

But the anti psychotic drugs is what pushes these people over the edge.
 
It’s about punishing the innocent.
I think it’s just that simple. And complicated.

But the anti psychotic drugs is what pushes these people over the edge.
We’re you given psychotics when you were incarcerated?
 
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