Another school shooting
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I did say that. And you did show that. But you told me I was allowed my opinions, and your opinion is that the cost is related to lower gun violence, but you haven't shown that. Do you want me to get your quote for you?
I'm not going to get into the cost of living source you provided, because its more than just taking the RPP from the BLS and coming up with a cost of living adjustment. You can't - in any stretch of the imagination - suggest that this equalizes the pay across all states because of this one adjustment. Its fantasy land. But I'm not going to argue that, because having common sense economic discussions with you doesn't bear fruit. Lets instead focus on how paying police officers more is directly responsible for lower gun violence.
Enough with your nonsense. I will check in on you in a month or two.
I kinda figured you'd bow out. I don't blame you. I ask tough questions. Bye.
Every time there is school shooting, politicians and celebrities promise to end the violence. How? By enacting more gun control laws which does nothing to protect the students. How many school shootings have we had since, Sandy Hook? Imagine, they can secure MLB, NFL stadiums with 30,000-50,000 people in attendance and prevent guns from entering such sporting events, same with courthouses, same with airports. Yet, they cannot secure public schools attended by how many children? They cannot inspect bags or patrol the premises of classrooms to make sure all doors are locked during school hours? Now, do not tell me there are no monies to pay for security including, police to secure the entrances by inspecting the bags and patting down kids? They increase the public school budgets year after year supposedly, to benefit the students? And they never hold accountable police when they fail to protect the kids like in Uvalde? Why? DOJ will not even launch a criminal investigation?
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Just when you think the Ulvalde police department could not sink any lower than threatening a mother who spoke out against the their inaction and was threatened to put in jail for "violating her probation" from a decade ago. The Uvalde police sink lower and have "bikers" harass reporters and others.
Bikers ‘working with police’ confront journalists at funerals for Uvalde victims
The bikers claimed the police invited them to guard the funerals
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...oting-bikers-journalist-funeral-b2095237.html
Stop funding and promoting the single parent family. In the meantime, arm individuals in the schools. It's pretty simple. We don't need new gun laws.
They really need to dismantle the entire local Uvalde police department -- especially in view of their activities to intimidate the community to be silent since the shooting, including threatened a mother over a decade old probation and having "bikers" intimidate reporters & local residents. This police department must have been a fiasco and danger to the community even before the school shooting occurred.
Justice Dept. names 9 to aid in review of Uvalde shooting
https://apnews.com/article/uvalde-s...rland-police-43851792809e619d0ea67d5b7819dd6c
The Justice Department has named a team of nine people, including an FBI official and former police chiefs, to aid in a review of the law enforcement response to the Uvalde, Texas, elementary school shooting that left 19 children and two teachers dead.
Attorney General Merrick Garland announced the team during a meeting in his office in Washington on Wednesday. The critical incident review is being led by the Justice Department’s Office of Community Oriented Policing Services.
The review will include an examination of police policies, training and communication, along with the deployment of officers and tactics, the Justice Department said. It will also examine who was in command of the incident and how police prepared for potential active-shooter incidents.
The team gathered for its first meeting Wednesday around a conference table in Garland’s office, with a few of the members appearing virtually on a large television screen.
Garland said the review would be comprehensive, transparent and independent.
“We will be assessing what happened that day,” he said. “We will be doing site visits to the school, we will be conducting interviews of an extremely wide variety of stakeholders, witnesses, families, law enforcement, government officials, school officials, and we will be reviewing the resources that were made available in the aftermath.”
The findings and recommendations will be detailed in a report, which will be made public, he said.
Garland said the team has already begun its work, though the department didn’t provide specific information on whether any members of the team have been to Uvalde, a town of about 15,000 residents.
The Justice Department said it would move as expeditiously as possible in developing the report.
The review was requested by Uvalde’s mayor. Such a review is somewhat rare, and most after-action reports that come after a mass shooting are generally compiled by local law enforcement agencies or outside groups. The Justice Department conducted similar reviews after 14 people were killed in a terrorist attack in San Bernardino, California, in 2015 and after the mass shooting at the Pulse Nightclub in Orlando, Florida, the deadliest attack on the LGBTQ community in U.S. history, which left 49 people dead and 53 people wounded in 2016.
The Justice Department said the nine officials on the team in the Uvalde case had been selected for their expertise in law enforcement, emergency management, active shooter response, school safety and other areas. The team includes the former chief of the Sacramento, California, police department, a deputy chief who worked at Virginia Tech, the sheriff in Orange County, Florida, an FBI unit chief and other officials.
Two weeks ago, the 19 students and two teachers were killed at Robb Elementary School. Law enforcement and state officials have struggled to present an accurate timeline and details, and they have stopped releasing information about the police response.
The gunman, 18-year-old Salvador Ramos, spent roughly 80 minutes inside Robb Elementary, and more than an hour passed from when the first officers followed him into the building to when he was killed, according to an official timeline. In the meantime, parents outside begged police to rush in, and panicked children called 911 from inside.
The review comes as state officials have already been examining the circumstances surrounding the shooting.
A spokesman for the Texas Department of Public Safety has said the school district police chief who served as on-site commander — and who officials have said made the decision not to breach a classroom sooner, believing it had shifted from an active shooting to a hostage situation — had stopped speaking with state investigators.
But the chief, Pete Arredondo, later told CNN that he was speaking regularly with Texas Department of Public Safety investigators. Texas officials have stopped answering questions about the response and haven’t said whether Arredondo is now cooperating with them.
When asked what the Justice Department would do if someone refused to cooperate in the federal review, Garland said Justice officials “expect voluntary cooperation from everybody at every level, and we have been promised that cooperation.”
Uvalde’s mayor, Don McLaughlin, praised Garland for the “swift action” beginning the review and vowed the city would fully cooperate.
“This assessment and the findings are of the utmost importance to the victims and their families, the community of Uvalde, and the Country,” McLaughlin said in a statement. “The city will fully cooperate with the Department of Justice and will assist with coordinating as necessary with other local entities as needed for this review.”
The team includes: Rick Braziel, the former police chief in Sacramento; Gene Deisinger, who was a deputy chief at Virginia Tech; Frank Fernandez, who served as the director of public safety in Coral Gables, Florida; Albert Guarnieri, a unit chief at the FBI; Mark Lomax, who worked as a major with the Pennsylvania State Police; Laura McElroy, the CEO of McElroy Media Group; John Mina, the sheriff in Orange County, Florida; April Naturale, an assistant vice president at Vibrant Emotional Health; and Kristen Ziman, the former police chief in Aurora, Illinois.
Justice Dept. names 9 to aid in review of Uvalde shooting
https://apnews.com/article/uvalde-s...rland-police-43851792809e619d0ea67d5b7819dd6c
The Justice Department has named a team of nine people, including an FBI official and former police chiefs, to aid in a review of the law enforcement response to the Uvalde, Texas, elementary school shooting that left 19 children and two teachers dead.
Attorney General Merrick Garland announced the team during a meeting in his office in Washington on Wednesday. The critical incident review is being led by the Justice Department’s Office of Community Oriented Policing Services.
The review will include an examination of police policies, training and communication, along with the deployment of officers and tactics, the Justice Department said. It will also examine who was in command of the incident and how police prepared for potential active-shooter incidents.
The team gathered for its first meeting Wednesday around a conference table in Garland’s office, with a few of the members appearing virtually on a large television screen.
Garland said the review would be comprehensive, transparent and independent.
“We will be assessing what happened that day,” he said. “We will be doing site visits to the school, we will be conducting interviews of an extremely wide variety of stakeholders, witnesses, families, law enforcement, government officials, school officials, and we will be reviewing the resources that were made available in the aftermath.”
The findings and recommendations will be detailed in a report, which will be made public, he said.
Garland said the team has already begun its work, though the department didn’t provide specific information on whether any members of the team have been to Uvalde, a town of about 15,000 residents.
The Justice Department said it would move as expeditiously as possible in developing the report.
The review was requested by Uvalde’s mayor. Such a review is somewhat rare, and most after-action reports that come after a mass shooting are generally compiled by local law enforcement agencies or outside groups. The Justice Department conducted similar reviews after 14 people were killed in a terrorist attack in San Bernardino, California, in 2015 and after the mass shooting at the Pulse Nightclub in Orlando, Florida, the deadliest attack on the LGBTQ community in U.S. history, which left 49 people dead and 53 people wounded in 2016.
The Justice Department said the nine officials on the team in the Uvalde case had been selected for their expertise in law enforcement, emergency management, active shooter response, school safety and other areas. The team includes the former chief of the Sacramento, California, police department, a deputy chief who worked at Virginia Tech, the sheriff in Orange County, Florida, an FBI unit chief and other officials.
Two weeks ago, the 19 students and two teachers were killed at Robb Elementary School. Law enforcement and state officials have struggled to present an accurate timeline and details, and they have stopped releasing information about the police response.
The gunman, 18-year-old Salvador Ramos, spent roughly 80 minutes inside Robb Elementary, and more than an hour passed from when the first officers followed him into the building to when he was killed, according to an official timeline. In the meantime, parents outside begged police to rush in, and panicked children called 911 from inside.
The review comes as state officials have already been examining the circumstances surrounding the shooting.
A spokesman for the Texas Department of Public Safety has said the school district police chief who served as on-site commander — and who officials have said made the decision not to breach a classroom sooner, believing it had shifted from an active shooting to a hostage situation — had stopped speaking with state investigators.
But the chief, Pete Arredondo, later told CNN that he was speaking regularly with Texas Department of Public Safety investigators. Texas officials have stopped answering questions about the response and haven’t said whether Arredondo is now cooperating with them.
When asked what the Justice Department would do if someone refused to cooperate in the federal review, Garland said Justice officials “expect voluntary cooperation from everybody at every level, and we have been promised that cooperation.”
Uvalde’s mayor, Don McLaughlin, praised Garland for the “swift action” beginning the review and vowed the city would fully cooperate.
“This assessment and the findings are of the utmost importance to the victims and their families, the community of Uvalde, and the Country,” McLaughlin said in a statement. “The city will fully cooperate with the Department of Justice and will assist with coordinating as necessary with other local entities as needed for this review.”
The team includes: Rick Braziel, the former police chief in Sacramento; Gene Deisinger, who was a deputy chief at Virginia Tech; Frank Fernandez, who served as the director of public safety in Coral Gables, Florida; Albert Guarnieri, a unit chief at the FBI; Mark Lomax, who worked as a major with the Pennsylvania State Police; Laura McElroy, the CEO of McElroy Media Group; John Mina, the sheriff in Orange County, Florida; April Naturale, an assistant vice president at Vibrant Emotional Health; and Kristen Ziman, the former police chief in Aurora, Illinois.
So now the clowns in Uvalde won't even tell the community if their police chief is employed any more -- as the community demands the chief steps down. So much for transparency.
Texas school district refuses to say if the Uvalde police chief accused of delaying the mass shooting response is still working there
https://www.insider.com/texas-schoo...embattled-uvalde-police-chief-employed-2022-6
Dr. Hal Harrell, the superintendent of the Uvalde Consolidated Independent School District, was asked by a reporter during a press briefing whether Pete Arredondo, the chief of police for the school district, is still working for the district.
"That's a personnel matter," Harrell responded. "I am not going to be able to answer that in a public forum."
Authorities have identified Arredondo as the on-scene commander during the May 24 mass shooting at Robb Elementary School that left 19 children and two teachers dead.
The police chief has come under fire for delaying authorities from confronting the 18-year-old gunman.
It took more than an hour for officers to go into the classroom where the shooter carried out the rampage and stop him, even though students trapped inside repeatedly called 911 for help over a roughly 40-minute span.
Ultimately, a US Border Patrol team unlocked the door of the fourth-grade classroom and shot and killed the gunman.
Col. Steve McCraw, the director of the Texas Department of Public Safety, has said that Arredondo made the "wrong" decision in prolonging police from going inside.
Arredondo was "convinced at the time that there was no more threat to the children" and that the situation had transitioned from an "active shooter" to a "barricaded subject," McCraw has said.
The New York Times reported last week that Arredondo did not have a radio to communicate with other law enforcement officers during the school shooting, possibly impacting the law enforcement response.
When asked during Thursday's briefing whether Harrell still "trusts" Arredondo, he replied, "I am not going to comment," again citing it being an personnel issue.
Harrell and school district spokeswoman Anne Marie Espinoza were also grilled during the press conference over why the school district posted to Facebook during the massacre that "staff and students are safe in the buildings," but they again refused to answer.
Espinoza had warned reporters that the school district would not answer questions involving the shooting investigation or personnel matters during the briefing.
"Our district to continues to collaborate with the investigation," Espinoza said, adding, "Questions cannot be addressed in regards to the investigation. Please let me remind you that the district cannot address personnel matters in an open forum."
Meanwhile, Harrell said that the district was hoping to hire more police officers to patrol the campuses of the Uvalde Consolidated Independent School District for the upcoming school year.
Texas school district refuses to say if the Uvalde police chief accused of delaying the mass shooting response is still working there
https://www.insider.com/texas-schoo...embattled-uvalde-police-chief-employed-2022-6
- A Texas school superintendent refused to say if the district's police chief still works there.
- "I am not going to be able to answer that in a public forum," the Uvalde superintendent told reporters.
- The chief has come under fire for his response to the deadly school shooting on May 24.
Dr. Hal Harrell, the superintendent of the Uvalde Consolidated Independent School District, was asked by a reporter during a press briefing whether Pete Arredondo, the chief of police for the school district, is still working for the district.
"That's a personnel matter," Harrell responded. "I am not going to be able to answer that in a public forum."
Authorities have identified Arredondo as the on-scene commander during the May 24 mass shooting at Robb Elementary School that left 19 children and two teachers dead.
The police chief has come under fire for delaying authorities from confronting the 18-year-old gunman.
It took more than an hour for officers to go into the classroom where the shooter carried out the rampage and stop him, even though students trapped inside repeatedly called 911 for help over a roughly 40-minute span.
Ultimately, a US Border Patrol team unlocked the door of the fourth-grade classroom and shot and killed the gunman.
Col. Steve McCraw, the director of the Texas Department of Public Safety, has said that Arredondo made the "wrong" decision in prolonging police from going inside.
Arredondo was "convinced at the time that there was no more threat to the children" and that the situation had transitioned from an "active shooter" to a "barricaded subject," McCraw has said.
The New York Times reported last week that Arredondo did not have a radio to communicate with other law enforcement officers during the school shooting, possibly impacting the law enforcement response.
When asked during Thursday's briefing whether Harrell still "trusts" Arredondo, he replied, "I am not going to comment," again citing it being an personnel issue.
Harrell and school district spokeswoman Anne Marie Espinoza were also grilled during the press conference over why the school district posted to Facebook during the massacre that "staff and students are safe in the buildings," but they again refused to answer.
Espinoza had warned reporters that the school district would not answer questions involving the shooting investigation or personnel matters during the briefing.
"Our district to continues to collaborate with the investigation," Espinoza said, adding, "Questions cannot be addressed in regards to the investigation. Please let me remind you that the district cannot address personnel matters in an open forum."
Meanwhile, Harrell said that the district was hoping to hire more police officers to patrol the campuses of the Uvalde Consolidated Independent School District for the upcoming school year.