Another "Pro Lifer" kills...

Quote from bigdavediode:

I wish! I would have an endless list of people I'd sentence to death, starting with concrete guys who leave giant hunks of concrete on my property.

No, it's just none of your business what the family decides in these difficult situations. It really isn't. And those who use words like "murdering babies" do not leave a multitude of options open except violence against doctors -- after all, it's murdering babies.

I c.

So ur saying that the term, murdering babies, is inflammatory language.

I agree.

However, it happens to be the truth according to many, and the truth is usually inflammatory.

U appear to tolerate the ending of humans who cannot transmit their consent for or against their termination, however.

U have no issue at all with this position?
 
Quote from Pa(b)st Prime:

As an aside to Bigdaves comment: Remember that it was Terri Schiavo's parents who sought to keep her alive and her husband-who'd just had a baby out of wedlock-who argued for terminating Schiavo's life.

Yeah, and then her husband received a shitload of death threats because Fox started using the word "murder."

Then Frist (R) diagnosed her via videotape, saying that there were clear signs of consciousness.

Then, the small government Republicans decided to pass a law to tell the husband what he could and couldn't do.

And then, she died, and during the autopsy is was revealed that she had no brain.
 
Quote from ARealGannTrader:

I c.

So ur saying that the term, murdering babies, is inflammatory language.

I agree.

However, it happens to be the truth according to many, and the truth is usually inflammatory.

It is inflammatory language, and it does justify violence (after all, it's "murder").

So yes, I concur. People who use language like that are helping incite actual murderers.

U appear to tolerate the ending of humans who cannot transmit their consent for or against their termination, however.

U have no issue at all with this position?

I make no decisions for others. I make them for me. If I give the doctor a DNR, you'd better not try to kill the doctor.

Stay out of other people's business.
 
Quote from OPTIONAL777:

It should be left up to the states, eh?

So it would be cool with you if it were considered murder in one state, where the penalty for the abortionist was death, and the neighboring state to have abortion on demand with no penalty...

So it would be okay for someone in the abortion is "murder" state to cross the state line, get an abortion, and then go back home, right?

Or would they still be guilty even though they didn't do it in the "murder" state?

What about an abortionist visiting the "murder" state. Having done nothing wrong in that state, would they be arrested for so called "murders" in another state?

No, matters of "murder" are federal, not decided by the state what constitutes what is murder.

States decide what is capital murder.

What the states would have to do is have a constitution referendum to determine at what point life begins. The cases would b argued and the ballots cast.

It would be very hard to argue that biological life does not definitively exist at the detection of a heartbeat independent of it's mother.

Biological life+DNA consistent with genus Homo Sapiens Sapiens=Human Being.
 
Since Roe v Wade we've all lived with the notion-based on the ruling itself-of judicially protected first term abortions. The Court, specifically wrote, that the States in turn would be allowed to prohibit later term procedures. I doubt I even knew until the mid 1990's that second, bordering on third trimester pregnancies were being routinely and legally aborted.

But as abortion laws were rewritten by the States, certain exceptions creeped into the legislation. Amendments protecting a woman's "health" were often included. Suddenly a lawyer could argue health stretches to mental health or that health of the fetus meant it was legally ok to abort babies with physical handicaps. Swedish courts have ruled that a mothers choice to abort based on the babies gender is permissible and we all know of the disproportionate number of females aborted by mothers in China.

Tiller wasn't targeted because he was a run of the mill abortion doctor. Instead he attracted attention because of his specialty-late terms. He advertised as being the doctor of last resort. He was tried (and acquitted in a poorly prosecuted case) of breaking Kansas law and new and separate charges were being drawn up as he died. Tiller was a douchebag.

While I'm not going to sit in judgment of who should be brought to homicidal death, I do find it deeply ironic that the murder of a man who allegedly performed 60,000 abortions-many of them late-has received so much attention from the liberal press. Absolutely astounding. I think Huffingtonwhore, who I normally boycott to deny her page views, had a half dozen essays on Tiller. In a nation that widely prohibits gambling, prostitution, drugs and prohibits women-and only women-from topless sunbathing, it's hard to fathom that Tiller is some posthumous icon of libertarianism from the uptight, rules orientated, fewest to procreate, cultural elites. Alas Tiller's allure with the left goes much deeper. To them abortion is an institution. A de facto by judicia decree member in the Bill of Rights. I suppose to some whacked out Obama Girl an abortionist being slain is akin to me getting pissed at Rosie O'Dyke or Michael Moorefood for defaming Charlton Heston.

In Alan Keyes Quixotic 2004 campaign for the U.S. Senate against one Barrack Obama, the subject of Obama's legislative support for late term abortion was a rallying cry for the Conservative Right. Days before the Keyes campaign began imploding from the same media gimmickry that later propelled Obama past Clinton, the multi-decade cartoonist, Jack Higgins, of the ultra-Democrat Chicago Sun-Times took one of the best jabs ever at The One with this poignant jem. Yes it's about what's morally right.

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Quote from Pa(b)st Prime:

Swedish courts have ruled that a mothers choice to abort based on the babies gender is permissible and we all know of the disproportionate number of females aborted by mothers in China.

Yes, if the Swedish mother has a chromosomal abnormality that can be passed on to boys, or girls, she should be forced to carry the fetal abnormality full term.

Because you know best.

Tiller wasn't targeted because he was a run of the mill abortion doctor. Instead he attracted attention because of his specialty-late terms. He advertised as being the doctor of last resort. He was tried (and acquitted in a poorly prosecuted case) of breaking Kansas law and new and separate charges were being drawn up as he died. Tiller was a douchebag.

Because he believed something different than you. Also, he was acquitted 19 times, by the way. No surprise that anti-abortion types wanted to prosecute him again.

While I'm not going to sit in judgment of who should be brought to homicidal death,

Uhhh, not sit in judgement? You just called a murder victim a "douchebag."
 
Quote from ARealGannTrader:

Biological life+DNA consistent with genus Homo Sapiens Sapiens=Human Being.

So will you be killing Michael Schiavo yourself, or just encourage others to do it because it's the just and right thing to do?
 
Quote from jem:

The difference is that abortionists are killing babies which could exist outside the mom's body.

They stick screw driver like instruments into the babies heads, crush the baby skulls and suck out dismembered baby parts with a vacuum (when things go according to a plan)


They are barabaric.


Does that mean we should kill abortionists -- absolutely not.

Abortion is a barbaric act of killing. It is as disgusting as the stuff we see in slaughter houses - only we eat the animal.


Why are liberals saving animals from barbaric acts and not defenseless human babies?

I have every right to speak the truth. Is not progressive, empathetic or truly liberal to support the butchering of un born human babies.

Ok - now that I spoke the truth about killing babies.

Let me say this - just like gay marriage... if the majority of people in your state wish to kill babies and the supreme court of your state does not think that human babies are class fit for protection... feel free to hack away.

We still live in America and I do believe in states rights and majority rule.

Here, here.
 
Quote from bigdavediode:

So will you be killing Michael Schiavo yourself, or just encourage others to do it because it's the just and right thing to do?

That suggest eye for eye.

COMPLETELY different subject.

Micheal Schiavo will have to answer for that on his judgement day, if there is one.

Will he ever be a friend of mine? No.

Is that judgement? Absolutely.
 
Quote from bigdavediode:

It is inflammatory language, and it does justify violence (after all, it's "murder").

So yes, I concur. People who use language like that are helping incite actual murderers.



I make no decisions for others. I make them for me. If I give the doctor a DNR, you'd better not try to kill the doctor.

Stay out of other people's business.

Sophistry.

I did not say that inflammatory language contributes to violence.

By definition inflammatory language incites emotions. What they do with those emotions is up to the individual.

IOW, guns do not kill people, people kill people.
 
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