Another party about to begin in Chicago

[userque]

You knew being a gangbanger was dangerous when you joined, Frederico.

 

[DTB2]

The video seems to show Adam Toledo with an object which was likely the handgun found at the scene. But then he has his hands up, and he's not trying to resist at that point. So he should have been arrested and not shot.
https://www.insider.com/adam-toledo-video-dropping-item-hands-up-shot-2-seconds-2021-4

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Frame 1, gun in hand, deciding what to do.

Frame 2, gun in hand, deciding what to do.

To go from Frame 2 gun in hand to Frame 3 No gun in hand, the hand is obstructed from police view.

Shots fired, brings police to the scene.
2 guys take off running.
1 is chased and instructed to drop the gun.
Gun is clearly visible, the suspect turns, brings hand up w/o gun

You decide what you would have done.

 

[DTB2]

Relax Nancy. The quote I responded to questioned the kid's innocence. What was he guilty of? Sneaking out of the house? Or has there been evidence presented that he was guilty of something other than what a lot of kids do?

A lot of 13 year old kids are out at 2:30 with a felon and carrying a gun? Me thinks not. That is one thing he is guilty of, illegally having a gun. Second thing he's guilty of is big time poor choices. Sometimes those don't turn out in your favor.

You live on his block?

Nope, but I am very familiar with the area. So much so that I completed my business there between 7 and 9 AM before they are all up after a night of...

As others have also stated, I didn't see him with a gun. Did you?

Did you see the gun yet?

 

[DTB2]

So if people listen and comply and surrender and still get killed, what more is required to have the cops stop giving out death sentences.

Does not matter if the kid was committing a crime and out at 2 AM, he was going to be arrested and charged like the other guy who was with him. He deserved to be caught and go to juvenile detention at best.

This is the part that bothers me, cops keep moving the goalposts on what you are suppoed to do to not get shot. Don't resist arrest or flee and you don't get shot. give yourself up with no weapon and still get shot...

You've answered your own question. The other didn't have a gun on him and he was arrested.
The youngster didn't listen, didn't comply and had had a gun in his hand. He had plenty of opportunity to get rid of the gun and surrender.

What would your reaction be if the kid still had the gun when he turned and then fired, killing the cop? Tough luck copper?

 

[userque]

Did you see the gun yet?

In the police submitted photos, I saw what looks like a gun in his hand.

But the police said that the gun was several feet from where he was standing/shot. And in the video, I didn't see him moving as though he was tossing a gun. In neither the body cam video, nor the surveillance video.

Did you see any video showing him moving as though he was tossing a gun?

 

[userque]

A lot of 13 year old kids are out at 2:30 with a felon and carrying a gun? Me thinks not.

Swing by Altgeld Gardens sometime after midnight. Tell us about it.

I know more than you think.

 

[DTB2]

In the police submitted photos, I saw what looks like a gun in his hand.

But the police said that the gun was several feet from where he was standing/shot. And in the video, I didn't see him moving as though he was tossing a gun. In neither the body cam video, nor the surveillance video.

Did you see any video showing him moving as though he was tossing a gun?

I did not

 

[DTB2]

Swing by Altgeld Gardens sometime after midnight. Tell us about it.

I know more than you think.

Your point? I wouldn't call that project representative of anything but thug life.

If your point is thugs are recruiting young kids to do their dirty work, we can agree.

8AM is after midnight btw.

 

[El OchoCinco]

You've answered your own question. The other didn't have a gun on him and he was arrested.
The youngster didn't listen, didn't comply and had had a gun in his hand. He had plenty of opportunity to get rid of the gun and surrender.

What would your reaction be if the kid still had the gun when he turned and then fired, killing the cop? Tough luck copper?

We cannot play on h ypotheticals because that is what leads to people getting killed. The image shows the flashlight on the empty kids hands with his hands up. If the police said stop and put your hands up and shot him after he did it, then what is the purpose of asking the kid to stop and put his hands up if you were going to shoot him anyway.

 

[userque]

Your point? I wouldn't call that project representative of anything but thug life.

If your point is thugs are recruiting young kids to do their dirty work, we can agree.

8AM is after midnight btw.

Thug life affects non-thugs as well.

My point is that the environment sometimes dictates our actions.

If you were in prison, or living in a project, or homeless, or living subject to gang bangers; you might put your morals aside, in order to try to survive. You might just go-along with the status quo.

My point is don't be so quick to condemn a 13 year old, based only on what we know about him via the news.

If you truly know about thug life, then you know that resisting gang recruitment can also, and certainly, be detrimental to a young one's health.

You can't know how you'd live in another's shoes.