This is America’s “gun problem” - the blacks
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The video seems to show Adam Toledo with an object which was likely the handgun found at the scene. But then he has his hands up, and he's not trying to resist at that point. So he should have been arrested and not shot.
https://www.insider.com/adam-toledo-video-dropping-item-hands-up-shot-2-seconds-2021-4
Video of Adam Toledo's killing shows he dropped what appears to be a gun, put his hands up as instructed, and got shot all within 2 seconds
Tom Porter
2 hours ago
A composite image of four still frames showing Adam Toledo holding at item then raising his hands. The images in this frame span less than two seconds. He was shot immediately after.
Chicago PD
New video footage released Thursday shows a Chicago police officer killing 13-year old Adam Toledo after chasing him down an alley.
- Video was released Thursday showing the police killing of Adam Toledo, 13.
- Insider analyzed video of the last chaotic seconds to break down what happened.
- Toledo appears to have had a gun, but dropped it and raised his hands before being shot.
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The footage, filmed on March 31 at around 3 a.m., was from the bodycam worn by Eric Stillman. It was released Thursday by the Chicago Office of Police Accountability (COPA), a group that monitors police shootings in the city.
The video shows Stillman leaving his vehicle, chasing Toledo down an alley, and shouting for him to stop.
What happens next takes less than two seconds. In that time Stillman shouts commands while Toledo drops something from his right hand, raises his two empty hands, and is shot.
Police have described the item as a gun. Video from later in Stillman's bodycam feed shows a discarded handgun a few away from Toledo.
Insider analyzed the footage in slow motion to establish the sequence of events. Some elements are difficult to make out: the scene is dark, some parts are blurry, and Stillman was wearing a flashing light.
The footage lasts nine minutes and 22 seconds, beginning with Stillman driving before chasing Toledo on foot. COPA posted the footage on Vimeo. It shows Toledo's death, is graphic, and includes blood.
There are 19 seconds between Stillman leaving his vehicle and fatally shooting Toledo. There is less than a second between Toledo apparently disposing of the gun and Stillman firing the fatal shot.
At around the two-minute mark, Toledo obeys Stillman's instruction to stop running. Here is what comes next:
- "Hands!", Stillman shouts at Toledo at 02:03 and 3 tenths of a second into the footage.
0.8 seconds pass.- Toledo is seen holding an item which appears to be a gun at 02:04 and 1 tenth of a second.
0.3 seconds pass.
A frame of police bodycam video shows Adam Toledo, 13, holding an item in his right hand shortly before he was shot dead.
Chicago Office of Police Accountability
- Stillman continued shouting, and said "show me your f---ing hands" by 02:04 and 4 tenths of a second.
0.3 seconds pass.- Stillman then shouted "Drop it!" at 02:04 and 7 tenths of a second.
0.03 seconds pass, a single frame of the video.
- Toledo puts his hands up at 02:04 and 7 tenths of a second. They are empty.
0.3 seconds pass.
A frame of police bodycam video Toledo with his hands up before being shot.
Chicago Office of Police Accountability
The total time the above actions took was one second and eight tenths.
- Shots heard are heard at 02:05 and 0 tenths of a second.
After the shooting Stillman and another officer attempt to revive Toledo, and paramedics also tried to save him.
Police have said they found a handgun at the scene. Footage shows Stillman shining his flashlight on a handgun on the ground behind a fence, near where Toledo was shot.
Police bodycam footage shows a handgun behind a fence near where Adam Toledo was shot.
Chicago PD
The Associated Press and The New York Times also concluded after analyzing the footage that Toledo discarded what appears to be a firearm just before he was killed.
Before the video, claims had differed as to whether Toledo was armed. Chicago Police initially described the encounter as an "armed confrontation."
A local prosecutor told a court hearing days before the video was released that Toledo had a gun in his right hand when he was shot, but later withdrew that claim.
Adeena Weiss Ortiz, a lawyer for the Toledo family, has emphasized that Toledo's hands were empty when the shot was fired. She said at a Thursday press conference that the footage shows Toledo was attempting to comply with police orders.
"He tossed the gun," she said. "If he had a gun, he tossed it. The officer said, 'Show me your hands.' He complied. He turned around."
At another point in the press conference she said: "If you're shooting an unarmed child with his hands in the air, it is an assassination."
Stillman's lawyer gave an opposite interpretation, arguing in a statement to the Associated Press that the video shows Stillman made a reasonable decision.
"The juvenile offender had the gun in his right hand ... looked at the officer which could be interpreted as attempting to acquire a target and began to turn to face the officer attempting to swing the gun in his direction."
"At this point the officer was faced with a life threatening and deadly force situation. All prior attempts to deescalate and gain compliance with all of the officer's lawful orders had failed."
The shooting took place in Little Village, a predominantly Latino and Black community in the West Side of Chicago. Toledo was Hispanic, and a seventh grader.
Stillman was responding to reports of shots being fired when he chased Toledo.
Officers also arrested Ruben Roman, 21, who was accused by prosecutors of firing the shots that prompted the police call-out.
Prosecutors charged Roman with aggravated unlawful use of a weapon, reckless discharge of a firearm and child endangerment.
Stillman has not been charged with any crimes, and has been placed on leave while an inquiry is conducted into whether he followed correct procedure in the use of force during the killing of Toledo, reported ABC 7.
Well here's a twist I didn't expect. He's right of course. Here's the issue at hand as I see it. We all have the benefit of the final still shot showing the kid with his hands up( like the one just posted above)^ The question is, what does that look like in real time, real life situation? A reasonable person can admit it probably looks quite different and having to make that judgement to shoot or not in under a second, after a foot chase with a armed suspect. So obvious is that fact even Don Lemon can see it.
Don Lemon defends officer in Adam Toledo shooting: 'Not all police shootings are the same'
Don Lemon defends officer in Adam Toledo shooting: 'Not all police shootings are the same' (yahoo.com)
Don Lemon defends officer in Adam Toledo shooting: 'Not all police shootings are the same'
Don Lemon defends officer in Adam Toledo shooting: 'Not all police shootings are the same' (yahoo.com)
This is especially so when he was following the cop's orders.
This is one reason why minorities are afraid to exit vehicles, especially without being given a reason other than, like your Mom used to say, "because I said so."
If you can't do the job. If you can't handle the pressure. If you're scared.
Get another job.
"You knew the job was dangerous when you took it, Fred."
Details are emerging that little Adam was a Latin King gang member known as “Lil Homicide”.
Gang members ‘instructed’ to shoot at police vehicles after Adam Toledo shooting, cops warned
According to a Chicago Police Department alert to officers, Latin Kings members were likely to shoot at unmarked police vehicles.
By Frank Main Apr 3, 2021, 1:04pm CDT
The family, to their credit are asking for a non violent response from the Latin Kings.
The family of a 13-year-old boy who was shot and killed last week by a Chicago cop issued a statement Sunday condemning allegations laid out in a recent alert issued by police leaders warning that factions of the Latin Kings “were instructed by ranking members to shoot at unmarked Chicago police vehicles.”
The alert, issued Thursday, said factions of the gang in the Ogden patrol district on the Southwest Side planned to retaliate following the police killing of Adam Toledo early March 29 in an alley in the 2400 block of South Sawyer Avenue. While the alert warned that members of the gang were likely to shoot at unmarked police vehicles, it didn’t say why the Kings would be retaliating.
“This report, if true, is extremely disturbing,” Adeena Weiss Ortiz, the family’s attorney, said in the statement. “Let me be perfectly clear, the Toledo family condemns violence against police and all other members of the community.”
Police officials have declined to comment on the report.
Gang members ‘instructed’ to shoot at police vehicles after Adam Toledo shooting, cops warned
According to a Chicago Police Department alert to officers, Latin Kings members were likely to shoot at unmarked police vehicles.
By Frank Main Apr 3, 2021, 1:04pm CDT
The family, to their credit are asking for a non violent response from the Latin Kings.
The family of a 13-year-old boy who was shot and killed last week by a Chicago cop issued a statement Sunday condemning allegations laid out in a recent alert issued by police leaders warning that factions of the Latin Kings “were instructed by ranking members to shoot at unmarked Chicago police vehicles.”
The alert, issued Thursday, said factions of the gang in the Ogden patrol district on the Southwest Side planned to retaliate following the police killing of Adam Toledo early March 29 in an alley in the 2400 block of South Sawyer Avenue. While the alert warned that members of the gang were likely to shoot at unmarked police vehicles, it didn’t say why the Kings would be retaliating.
“This report, if true, is extremely disturbing,” Adeena Weiss Ortiz, the family’s attorney, said in the statement. “Let me be perfectly clear, the Toledo family condemns violence against police and all other members of the community.”
Police officials have declined to comment on the report.
Trnalsation:
We want to ask our son's gang banging homies to please for just this once, refrain from violence or planning any 187s until this blows over and then they can return to their regularly scheduled rival gang killing, ho slapping, drug dealing ways. So tip yo fo'ty for Lil Homicide and paint his gang picture on the side of a bodega and remember.. LATIN KINGS FOR LIFE!
Let's remember that according to Sean "I Like Fisting" Hannity, toledo is a 13-year old man but Kyle rittenhouse was just some kid with a gun...
You knew being a gangbanger was dangerous when you joined, Frederico.