Another idea by cm69

Sometimes you gotta have the balls to put yourself in play cm69. That means just because this isn't available freely it doesn't mean it's a bad idea. Entrepreneurs always created new markets that others thought never existed. Go for it.
 
Cm,
I been scamming my kids with that idea for years, of course I wasn't even buying the stock, then they start crying and shit about Daddy took there money and I had to give it back.
 
You're doing nothing other than describing a contract for difference (CFD) as someone else picked up on. These are as old as the hills but only been available to Joe Schmo from Cocomo in the last couple of years.

You'd never be able to replicate the service offered by a full broker on this (unless everyone on planet earth signed up... making you a broker!) and the only people you'd attract would be halfwits who have no credit anywhere else- for good rason. You'd be simply picking up bad debts.

Your head is in the right place though- keep thinking about angles and understand where value gets added and you might well come up with something. Just remember, there are guys who are trying to do the same thing who know the business and have made money from it day in day out for years. Keep plugging away.
 
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How bout an insurance company that reimburses people on bad trades? .

... OK CM69, how about it?

And exactly HOW would this company make money, might I ask?

Anyone who would take the insurance probably doesn't have enough confidence in their trading to turn a profit.

JJ
 
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How bout an insurance company that reimburses people on bad trades? .

No offence but I think you need to learn a bit more about investment instruments a bit more in order to develop some kind of product that fills a gap.

If you are thinking about insuring people against adverse moves in the physical instruments they are holding, this is exactly what derivatives (options, futures, credit default swaps etc.) were developed for. It just so happens that the leverage involved in these products also make them far more economic to trade, in terms of capital required, than holding physical instruments like stocks and a bond with a face value of $1million!

If only more people actually understood why derivatives exist, they'd probably learn a bit more about how/why they move the way they do.

Think about it- if you are a bank or someone with a significant portfolio in S&P 500 stocks, you don't want to be completely at risk of wiping out 50% of your value if another 1987 comes along. Therefore, you pay a PREMIUM, for an option(s) which mirrors the index as a whole and give up a few hundred basis points of potential return to sit safe in the knowledge that there's no way you will wake up one day with an account which is worth less than the email telling you that you're fired. This is nothing more than insurance. This is also why it is possible for structured products like capital guaranteed funds to exist.

Again, your head is in the right space but products exist to fill this gap. If you are a fund (hedge, index or even a big trader) you need to have risk control and be able to protect value in almost all circumstances. Without this, stories like Amaranth's would be in the paper every day.
 
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"I still do not see why anyone would use the service however. Using the Deal or No Deal mentality means the odds are in the house's favor"

-- People still go to casinos.

True, however many people go to casinos for the atmosphere, not just to play the games and lose money. It's a full 'experience' vs. online trading.

"with the cost of entry to trading so small to begin with and online brokers just a click away"

-- Yes, but who's going to be able to trade with a 500 or even 10k dollar account size?... Use opm and get much higher leverage.

Ok, I get that... but exactly who are you going to target to allow the end user who does not have access to cash on their own the ability to trade with leverage thru you?

I'm still trying to figure out who exactly you are targeting with this. You mentioned earlier someone that does not have access to cash immediately... OK, if you go after those people, how are they going to pay you in the case of losses? If you target those with cash, why bother paying you 20%?

This is not meant to be negative post CM, I'm just trying to see where you would go with this in terms of marketing if you did do this.

I understand what you're saying about the end user...if he loses, he pays his losses, then some. The reason for this is to make the trade (for me,because its my money) worth while. most market partisipants will lose, so if I just said "well just pay me back what you lost"..I'd be running in place going no where. Successful traders might like a service like this because their losses are smaller than their profits.

Ok, devil's advocate - if I am successful at trading on my own, why engage a new 'risky' biz like your idea here? There's going to be A LOT of paperwork involved to make a simple stock purchase that I can do in 30 seconds on my own. Again, what advantage are you providing here and to whom (other than yourself)?

And as I mentioned, IF you pursue this, you need to consult top notch securities lawyers, accountants AND the SEC.
 
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Ok, I get that... but exactly who are you going to target to allow the end user who does not have access to cash on their own the ability to trade with leverage thru you?

* Maybe these people have cash, maybe they dont. The point though is that people will be able to save money. Think of it like buying a house...how many people do you know pay in cash?..most get loans..It's not really a matter of who has money and who doesn't. It's because it saves them money by only paying for a 10% down payment and paying the rest over time. You aked me who I would target...probably "buy and hold" investors because of the legal complexity that this would become.

OK, if you go after those people, how are they going to pay you in the case of losses? If you target those with cash, why bother paying you 20%?

* Back to the contract. Losses will be tailored to each person depending on net worth and their assests, that way they can pay back losses. Something like a lien on their house ( sounds cruel but banks do the same) as collateral in case they default on payment.



Ok, devil's advocate - if I am successful at trading on my own, why engage a new 'risky' biz like your idea here? There's going to be A LOT of paperwork involved to make a simple stock purchase that I can do in 30 seconds on my own. Again, what advantage are you providing here and to whom (other than yourself)?

* The advantange here is nothing more than a "Get it now!" type plan.

And as I mentioned, IF you pursue this, you need to consult top notch securities lawyers, accountants AND the SEC. [/B]
 
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