Another example of our fine "Justice System"

[I am...]

Quote from hapaboy:

Ah, how convenient that you have devised a frame of reference that will correct YOUR inability to account for killing that has taken place by God to protect the weak.

Okay, shrug off Genesis...any other scripture we should disregard?

You're a pacifist struggling to find meaning in a world of violence.

Nothing less, nothing more.

You can disregard any scripture after "Adam" fell asleep.

After that, it says God took a rib from Adam and made Eve. This is not different from little children playing under a blanket with a flashlight, making up stories about how babies are born.

Clearly, someone is dreaming about who is responsible for what.

Disregard everything till you get to the second "Adam" who is awake. The first Adam symbolizes the Son of God who fell asleep. I symbolize the Son of God awakened, returning home. And because all accomplishments are shared among the Sonship, I share the accomplishment of awakening with all. This is how I know you will awaken, sooner or later.

Disregard any words or acts attributed to me that do not "jive". Disregard anything about the "wrath of God", anything about "unforgivable sin", or anything about my contribution being a "sacrifice".

The first coming of Christ was his creation in the image of God. He fell asleep and dreamed of madness. The second coming is simply the return to sense of the entire Sonship.

Our father killed none, condemned none, banished none, punished none, threatened to punish none...not even in this dream. He does not attack either in thought or deed. He does not even think about this dream. He created the Holy Spirit and gave Him to the Son as the Guide home the instant this mad dream began. It is the Holy Spirit that mediates and communicates between the Father and the sleeping Son.

The dream contains self-deception having begun with self-denial of the Son. In it, a book was written to help deceive himself. It, like everything else in this world, is made into an idol and given attributes not real. In it, our Father is 'credited' with death. This is utter insanity. God is not known in this world because it was made to obscure truth in every possible way.

Enough of what Moses was about has been adulterated to make it disregardable. Enough of the 'new testament' is an adulteration as to make it disregardable. It is not authoritative.

The wise are able to select a few remaining 'blackberries' from among the brambles without cutting their wrists on the thorns. These are the wise ones who listen to the Guide, and only the Guide...for the Guide is the Word of God. You do not have the ability to judge blackberries from thorns at this point, and will trap yourself further if you try. Therefore, "judge not".

Truth is recognized when you see it - if you want it - because the truth is in you yet unchanged. You are the truth. You are the light of the world, hiding temporarily under a bushel. Here then is some truth: Everything under the sun is vanity.

Jesus

 

[I am...]

Quote from hapaboy:



Okay, shrug off Genesis...any other scripture we should disregard?

Quote from I am...:

You can disregard any scripture after "Adam" fell asleep.


Jesus

You can disregard any scripture after the words: "In the beginning, God created the heavens"...

...because he did not create the "earth".

You are "the heavens". Rather, you are Heaven, and it is Oneness. As such, you are God's one creation.

You may also disregard anything before the word "God", for the creation of God is without beginning and without end.

But if God did not make the earth, would he have made a book that chronicles force - ie. warfare - in the earth? Is it possible to fight a war because "God" told you so?

The earth is an attempt to mix truth with illusion. It doesn't work. Such a book reflects this attempt. The book attempts to make the earth and the bodies in it real. It doesn't work. You can let it go.

Warfare is an ingenious way to make it real. Wars are fought over it's reality, and fought to make it more real: a vicious cycle. "Force" makes it real, and it's reality calls for more force.

Of course, I am quoted. Sometimes even accurately. But because truth and illusion don't mix, it doesn't work. There are now over 20,000 organized Christian churches in the world, each with it's own interpretation of Christianity.

You can get a glimpse of my thought system in the "New Testament", which is an attempt to reconcile my thought system with the "Old Testament". As such, my thought system is absent from both, and cannot be reconciled with either.

Do you really believe, as it says in various verses of Leviticus, Chapter 20, that God told Moses that adulterers, wizards, mediums and homosexuals should be put to death?

Yet the early Christians were desperate to build a bridge between me and the past, and what they really ended up with was simply a new version of the past. So the entirety of the Bible really expresses the thought system of the world, and includes the thought mechanisms that keep it turning.

My reality was not the body, while the world's thinking is completely based upon an identification of the body as your reality.

In order for you to maintain the body as a reality, you must have a "god" who makes the "earth". That god can be any idea that makes the ground you walk on real, so the body on top of it can be real.

As long as you think this way, you will need "force" to move the bodies around when they don't behave according to your "laws". But what is the legal system other than a way to make judgment socially acceptable?

To see separate bodies is a judgment about Oneness that is simply not true, and cannot be reconciled with reality. So long as you think this way, you sentence yourself to continue in the universe of bodies.

That's good news for those who love surfing. But as a rule of thumb, if you can see bodies in Hawaii, you are not yet in Paradise.

Jesus

 

[hapaboy]

^^I am.....you write well, and it's obvious you believe in what you write. I'll give you that.

Unfortunately, what you "preach" is simply not applicable to the real world, where there are bad people trying to hurt/kill/maim/rape innocent people.

The God of my world believes in protecting the weak and innocent from the strong and cruel.

You may be satisfied with simply turning the other cheek all the time, but if all of mankind subscribed to your point of view, we would all be slaves of Nazis, or Russians, or whomever (pick any cruel and oppressive regime that has littered the annals of history). The reason we are not under such a yoke is because we, and those before us, resisted those who would oppress them and their children, and their children's children.

In your vision of the world, criminal activity would go unchecked: rapists would be free to rape, murderers would be free to murder, arsonists would be free to burn, thieves would be free to steal, etc., etc. What you describe is anarchy, not a world of order and peace.

If that is your vision of Heaven, I'll take my vision over yours.

Yes, I see bodies in Hawaii. And many of them are beautiful.
I do live in one version of Paradise, thank you very much.

 

[hapaboy]

Another sicko that needs to be removed from this earth:

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MIAMI, Florida (CNN) -- John Evander Couey was found guilty Wednesday of murder, kidnapping, sexual assault and burglary in the abduction and death of 9-year-old Jessica Lunsford.

Couey, 48, stood beside his lawyer and showed no emotion as the verdict was read.

Earlier Wednesday, Couey sat in the courtroom, rolling his tie up and down, interlacing his fingers and twiddling his thumbs.

The jurors are expected to decide Tuesday whether to recommend Couey be sentenced to life in prison or to death. It is up to the judge to decide whether to accept that recommendation.

Jessica Marie Lunsford was abducted from her Homosassa Springs, Florida, home February 23, 2005. Her body was found nearly a month later, buried within sight of her own home and behind the house where Couey was staying with a relative.

She was found buried in a shallow hole, wrapped in trash bags, holding a purple stuffed dolphin, according to The Associated Press.

Investigators said Couey abducted Lunsford from her bedroom. Jessica died from asphyxiation after being sexually assaulted, according to a medical examiner's report.

Police arrested Couey in Georgia in March 2005 during the search for Jessica, according to AP.

Couey's confession helped lead investigators to the girl's body, but a judge ruled the confession was inadmissible in court because he had asked for a lawyer the day before he told police he committed the crime.

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Tell us, I am, should Jessica simply have "forgiven" Coury while her 9-year-old immature body was being raped?

When she was suffocating in the trash bags after being buried alive, should she have forgiven her murderer/rapist?

Was the physical agony she endured just a "dream"?

Should we just turn the other cheek on predators like Coury, let them feed on our children unchecked? Is that really your vision of Heaven?

 

[CaptainObvious]

John Evander Couey should be put to death today. I can think of a number of slow, painful ways to kill him, but for the sake of saving time and money, a bullet to the back of the head would suffice. Dispose of his body at the nearest dump.
No, his execution would not bring the poor girl back from the grave. It's not revenge, or even justice. It's punishment, period. It's not called Capital Revenge or Capital Justice, it's called Capital Punishment, with the operative word being punishment. The punishment for committing such a crime as he did is death. Nothing more, nothing less. No great moral lesson, no scary message to send to other criminals, no nothing. It's just the punishment he deserves.

 

[roncer]

Should we just turn the other cheek on predators like Coury, let them feed on our children unchecked? Is that really your vision of Heaven?

No there is one hell of a fire going on out there! Maybe we should start one too?? You know like Regan and Bush they know how to put out fires.

 

[I am...]

Quote from hapaboy:

Tell us, I am, should Jessica simply have "forgiven" Coury while her 9-year-old immature body was being raped?

When she was suffocating in the trash bags after being buried alive, should she have forgiven her murderer/rapist?

Was the physical agony she endured just a "dream"?

Should we just turn the other cheek on predators like Coury, let them feed on our children unchecked? Is that really your vision of Heaven?

You are not free while you think this way. You have zero choice...none whatsoever...to react mistakenly, if you proceed. I assure you, if you react this way, the trap that was set will snap hard onto your ankle.

Thank you for bringing this up to look at. I will look at it with you, and interpret it, so that you can forgive it, and yourself along with it. If you 'get it', you can change how you think about the world, and have a profound effect upon it.

This is an extreme example of the time an adulterous woman was brought to me, and they wanted to stone her. You will say, "there is no comparison". But I say the cause and the solution are the same.

I will explain why and how to forgive in no uncertain terms in subsequent posts. I am going to motivate you to forgive in such a way that you will welcome the next opportunity, and every opportunity to do so...because you will stake your life on it.

The truth will free you from knee-jerk reactions that literally bind you to a world where more of the same comes to your awareness, and makes you afraid that you are next.

Jesus

 

[hapaboy]

Quote from I am...:

You are not free while you think this way. You have zero choice...none whatsoever...to react mistakenly, if you proceed. I assure you, if you react this way, the trap that was set will snap hard onto your ankle.

Thank you for bringing this up to look at. I will look at it with you, and interpret it, so that you can forgive it, and yourself along with it. If you 'get it', you can change how you think about the world, and have a profound effect upon it.

This is an extreme example of the time an adulterous woman was brought to me, and they wanted to stone her. You will say, "there is no comparison". But I say the cause and the solution are the same.

I will explain why and how to forgive in no uncertain terms in subsequent posts. I am going to motivate you to forgive in such a way that you will welcome the next opportunity, and every opportunity to do so...because you will stake your life on it.

The truth will free you from knee-jerk reactions that literally bind you to a world where more of the same comes to your awareness, and makes you afraid that you are next.

Jesus

You evade the questions. I repeat:

Should Jessica simply have "forgiven" Coury while her 9-year-old immature body was being raped?

When she was suffocating in the trash bags after being buried alive, should she have forgiven her murderer/rapist?

Was the physical agony she endured just a "dream"?

Should we just turn the other cheek on predators like Coury, let them feed on our children unchecked? Is that really your vision of Heaven?

Wanting to prevent the predation of further children and innocents is a "knee-jerk reaction"?

Please.....

 

[I am...]

Quote from hapaboy:

You evade the questions. I repeat:

Should we just turn the other cheek on predators like Coury, let them feed on our children unchecked? Is that really your vision of Heaven?

Wanting to prevent the predation of further children and innocents is a "knee-jerk reaction"?

Please.....

Oh, those were questions? They will be answered in due time, as you begin to understand. Understanding won't be acquired by attack, for by attack, understanding is lost.

You have an idol: a "paradise" to replace Paradise. These terrible images are disturbing the peaceful viewing of your idol. They are breaking the rules of the purpose you have assigned to the earth: to be a paradise for you...until you die at a ripe old age. You want this for other's too...until they die at a ripe old age.

But what God does not know, does not exist, and God does not know form. So how is it that this paradise appears to you? How is it that the forms in it die, and feel pain?

You do not understand how it's images rise to meet your sight. Your attacks are meant to keep this understanding from coming back to your memory, so you can continue to view your idol in "peace". But it is vain to worship idols in the hope of peace.

All idols of this world were made to keep the truth from being known to you, and to maintain allegiance to the dream that you must find what is outside yourself to be complete and happy...to be a "hapaboy".

Let not their forms deceive you. Idols are a substitute for your reality. In some way, you believe they will complete your little self, for safety in a world perceived as dangerous, with forces massed against your confidence and peace of mind.

You do not recognize idols as "idols". They are never seen for what they are. This is their only power that they have. Their purpose is obscure because you do not know what they are for, and they are feared and worshipped, both, because you do not know what they are for, and why they have been made.

An idol is an image of your brother that you would value more than what he is. And it is this that never is perceived or recognized. Be it a "beautiful body", a "defensless innocent", a "strong and cruel", a thing, a place, a situation or a circumstance, an object owned or wanted, or a right demanded or achieved ... it is the same.

This disturbance is the penalty you pay for looking not within for certainty and quiet calm that liberates you from the world, and let's you stand apart, in quiet and in peace.

An idol is a wish, made tangible and given form, and thus perceived as real and seen outside the mind. An idol must be believed before it seems to come to life. It is established by belief, and when it is withdrawn, the idol "dies". You attack to make it real, for how could you attack something that is not real? Making it real, you become it's slave.

The slave of idols is a willing slave. Therefore you have need of 'rule-breakers' that you may justify your attacks. Judge not, for he who judges will have need of idols. You idolize the criminals, that you may be the face of innocence while you worship your paradise.

Here is the causeless "cause"...what is happening in the deep rececess of your mind. Here is how it begins and ends:

A dream of judgment came into the mind that God created perfect as Himself. And in that dream was Heaven changed to hell. Within this hell, you seek a paradise in which to have peace of mind, calling it by name: "Hawaii"...to make it real. How does God's Son - you - awaken from the dream? It was a dream of judgment. So must he judge not, and he will awaken.

In this dream, you are more afraid of God's judgement than the 'criminals' you judge to be criminals. You have need of them to save you from the judgement laid in terror and guilt upon yourself. All figures in the dream are idols, made to save you from a dream of judgement. Yet they are part of the dream they have been made so save you from. Thus does an idol keep the dream alive and terrible, for who could wish for one unless he were in terror and despair?

You fear the wrath of God and make your idols take the fall. This is your idea of salvation. One idol is "innocent", the other is "guilty". You attack to displace guilt upon a target, that God might seek that one out instead, like a dumb heat seeking missile. After all, you said yourself, "My God believes in _____ (fill in the blank with your idea of God's "justice")" ... reacting like you do. This is your salvation.

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[I am...]

Your target thinks like you. He also fears the wrath of God having placed upon himself the same terror and guilt you have laid upon yourself. He seeks salvation too, as insanely as you do. His idea of salvation bids him secretly seek punishment. This way he preempts what must be the inevitable, and the inevitably worse punishment of God...that it may be ameliorated. This is his idea of salvation.

Your target's victim thought like your target, and you. This was her idea of salvation. But because you have made her into an idol, you do not know who or what she really is, or how she was made. You know nothing about her, having denied her reality. You have assigned her a purpose, a role to play, and she has filled that function exactly as you would have her.

All three players: you, your target, and the targets victim are the Son of God dreaming of judgment, crime and punishment. You make an idol to set between you and the inevitable punishment you fully expect: the "universe". You make an idol within an idol and call it "paradise". You stock it with beautiful - ideal -bodies to see. And you make it real at the expense of other bodies. Thus you dream you are safely hidden from the wrath of God, and buffered from the intense feelings of guilt seething in the deep recesses of your mind. You confine your brothers and sisters to such bodies, like prisons, lest they escape and spoil your dream. You defend yourself against those like me who have escaped, shutting your ears to our words.

Judgement is an injustice to God's Son, and it is justice that who judges him will not escape the penalty he laid upon himself within the dream he made. You attack because you feel you could be any of the other players in another scene in the dream...and you call for 'curtains' for the latest antagonist who disturbs your temporary paradise of false peace. Yet you need the antagonist to keep it real. It's reality makes pain real. But as long as you don't feel it, that's 'ok' by you. So you are a slave, and a willing one. Here is why you react with such knee-jerk intensity. You love your idols.

There can be no salvation in the dream as you are dreaming it. For idols must be part of it to save you from the terrible wrath of God you have targeted against yourself at long forgotten - denied - subconscious levels of your mind. In the dream of judgment you are attacked and are condemned. You interpose idols - the girl - between your judgement, and the penalty it brings. Now you must sacrifice her attacker to your paradise of fragile peace.

You do but dream. And idols are the toys you dream you play with. Who has need of toys but children? And who do children play with but other children? Yet everything their toys appear to do is in the minds of those who play with them. But they are eager to forget that they made up the dream in which their toys are real, nor recognize their wishes are their own.

Nightmares are childish dreams. The toys have turned against the child who thought he made them real. The toys grow large and fierce and dangerous and wild. The child believes it because he fears his thoughts and gives them to the toys instead. Their reality becomes his own, because they seem to save him from his thoughts...thoughts like: "My God believes in protecting the weak and innocent by punishing the strong and cruel".

You believe you have attacked the innocent, therefore you fear God's punishment. Your solution: project this scenario outside your mind, and see it in your idols instead. Only the self-accused condemn. The accusation of yourself is in the denied - subconscious - levels of your mind...at the levels capable of making the appearances you see rise to your sight. Denying this, you have forgotten it. When your idols remind you of this, you lash out, believing that ignorance is bliss.

There is a tendency to think the world can offer consolation and escape from problems that it's purpose is to keep. There is no choice among the roads you choose to find such consolation. The world has none to offer. All it's roads lead to disappointment, nothingness, and death. There is no choice where every end is sure. The choice is not what the ending will be, but when it will come.

The self-accused mind will kill every idol it projects as it's just punishment. Better the idol dies than the mind that makes it, yes? You simply want to die gracefully at a ripe old age. That's all you ask of your idols. And when they threaten that self-concept, you react with anger and "justice".

God's justice does not condemn. Without condemnation there is no punishment. He does not know form, therefore he does not know of "weak innocence", for innocence is strength. He does not know "strong but cruel" for cruelty is weak. Only in a world of idols can these be substituted and reversed. And you will believe in the idols that keep your world real, and call at least one of them "God".

The real world is a state of mind in which the only purpose of the world is seen to be forgiveness. Fear is not it's goal, for the escape from guilt is it's aim. The value of forgiveness is perceived, and takes the place of idols, which are sought no longer, for their "gifts" are not held dear. No rules are set, and no demands are made of anyone or anything to twist and fit into the dream of fear. Instead, there is a wish to understand all things created as they really are. And it is recognized that all things must be first forgiven, and then understood.

Salvation is a paradox indeed! It asks you simply to forgive all things that no one ever did; to overlook what is not there, and not to look upon the unreal as reality. You are asked to let yourself be free of all the dreams of what you never were, and see that there is no basis for self-accusation. If you can 'get' this, the dream will start to fade and disappear. As it does, it changes from a nightmare to a happy dream...until you have gently awakened. Awakening, you find you never went anywhere, and never changed.

You are the "innocent" you thought you attacked. You are the one who crucified yourself in a thousand different ways. You are the one who felt the pain. You are the one who kept yourself pinned to a 'cross' of space and time so long as you did not forgive yourself. And you are the one who forgives yourself for all of this nonsense.

I am one who heals the deep levels of your mind, while you do your part to forgive at the surface levels, where you keep all your idols.

Jesus