Another Christian whack job

[themickey]

So, I guess you could say I was scared into believing. Is that wrong?

Yes it is wrong imo.
That was the message right from day1 of Christianity, just like Billy Graham bs, "Humanity is off to hell, you can get a ticket to heaven now, just sign up, join our church".

 

[themickey]

I didn't love God before I was saved. I wouldn't say there was anything about Christianity that turned me on. I didn't want to go to hell because that is terrifying.

So, I guess you could say I was scared into believing. Is that wrong? The better question would be to ask if that is the way the Bible describes conversion?

We are all guilty of sin. Some try to hide that fact by squelching any thoughts or beliefs that remind them of their guilt in things. But God made us "judges." We discern what is right and wrong, even though often times we think what is wrong is actually right and what is right is actually wrong. If you have ever judged the actions of another person or even your own actions, then you have just proven my point. This fact can stand alone as a means to provide evidence that God exists as the ultimate Judge.

"So God is going to throw me to the wolves because christianity doesn't turn me on?"
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No. It has nothing to do with whether or not you like Christianity or even God. It has to do with your guilt and what you do with your guilt. "Whoever conceals their sins does not prosper, but the one who confesses and renounces them finds mercy." Proverbs 28:13 This is a general truth, not the entire gospel. If you think about it, there is really a lot of wisdom packed in that verse that can be helpful for all people. Honest self-evaluation for improvement is also very important in trading.

However, in this nugget of wisdom there lies a promising gem. If we take an honest look at ourselves as a holy, good, loving, yet not-tolerating-evil God would see our sin, we find a huge problem.

And that problem can turn into the best discovery of a person's life it if leads one to turn in their hearts to Jesus as their God and Savior.

The problem is sin. "But your wickedness has separated you from your God, And your sins have hidden His face from you so that He does not hear." Isaiah 59:2 Amp

We can't get rid of sin ourselves. Just as you can't remove a nail from a board without a hole being left behind, even if we became perfectly good for the remainder of our lives, it does not undo even the tiniest of sins.

But we don't need to get rid of sin ourselves. We don't need to get cleaned up before becoming a Christian. We don't make promises to God that we will do better in life so He can let us into heaven.

Do you know what "dead works" are? That is a phrase used a few times in the New Testament. Basically, they are whatever we do, our "works," that don't do anything to help our standing before God. I believe it can be used of things we do that are both bad as well the things we do that are good. Neither our good or our bad things are good enough in God's sight. They are all dead works.

The ONLY solution is what Jesus had to die for. He had to be the Righteous one who bore our sin so that we could be given His righteousness.

how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal [Holy] Spirit willingly offered Himself unblemished [that is, without moral or spiritual imperfection as a sacrifice] to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works and lifeless observances to serve the ever living God? Hebrews 9:14
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And THAT is the Solution.

It is that Jesus met the requirements of satisfying God's wrath at our sin and living a perfect life in our behalf so that He CAN cleanse us from all the guilt that we have.

I'm not going to pry into your previous experience with Christianity, but I do want to put something into your mind for you to think about:

Did you have Jesus cleanse you from your guilt before God by personal repentance and deliberate asking of God to apply to you what Jesus did at the cross and the resurrection? This is the key, in fact it means everything. Someone can pray the sinners prayer and have the right words yet not have truly experienced becoming saved if they did not come to rest in Jesus as their guilt cleanser.

I just don't buy in or believe this nonsense.
You may gain pleasure reading this stuff, I don't.

 

[themickey]

Now what happened here? Are these pretend christians or maybe is it God has a lesson for them?

Bus crash in Zimbabwe kills 35 churchgoers
By Nimi Princewill and Sarah Diab, CNN April 15, 2022 https://edition.cnn.com/2022/04/15/africa/bus-crash-deaths-zimbabwe-intl/index.html

The scene of the bus crash near the town of Chimanimani, Zimbabwe.

(CNN)Thirty-five people have died after a bus carrying more than 100 members of the Zion Christian Church crashed Thursday night near the town of Chimanimani, in eastern Zimbabwe, according to the Zimbabwe Republic Police (ZRP).

The fatal accident occurred at around 10 p.m. local time (4 p.m.ET), when the bus carrying 106 members of the church "went out of the road and fell into a gorge," the ZRP said on Twitter.

Police also said 71 people were injured in the accident.
"The bodies of the victims were taken to Chipinge Hospital for post-mortem while the injured were referred to the same institution for treatment, with 13 being critically injured," ZRP said.

Road traffic crashes, including fatal accidents, have been on the increase in Zimbabwe, according to official figures.

Zimbabwe's official road traffic death rate rose from 1,836 in 2016 to an average of 2,000 fatalities per year between 2017 and 2019, averaging over five deaths per day, according to the Traffic Safety Council of Zimbabwe (TSCZ). The World Health Organization estimates that the true figure could be three times higher, according to a recent United Nations report.

Zimbabwe loses an average of 3% of its gross domestic product yearly to road crashes, the TSCZ said in 2017.

 

[studentofthemarkets]

Now what happened here? Are these pretend christians or maybe is it God has a lesson for them?

Bus crash in Zimbabwe kills 35 churchgoers
By Nimi Princewill and Sarah Diab, CNN April 15, 2022 https://edition.cnn.com/2022/04/15/africa/bus-crash-deaths-zimbabwe-intl/index.html

The scene of the bus crash near the town of Chimanimani, Zimbabwe.

(CNN)Thirty-five people have died after a bus carrying more than 100 members of the Zion Christian Church crashed Thursday night near the town of Chimanimani, in eastern Zimbabwe, according to the Zimbabwe Republic Police (ZRP).

The fatal accident occurred at around 10 p.m. local time (4 p.m.ET), when the bus carrying 106 members of the church "went out of the road and fell into a gorge," the ZRP said on Twitter.

Police also said 71 people were injured in the accident.
"The bodies of the victims were taken to Chipinge Hospital for post-mortem while the injured were referred to the same institution for treatment, with 13 being critically injured," ZRP said.

Road traffic crashes, including fatal accidents, have been on the increase in Zimbabwe, according to official figures.

Zimbabwe's official road traffic death rate rose from 1,836 in 2016 to an average of 2,000 fatalities per year between 2017 and 2019, averaging over five deaths per day, according to the Traffic Safety Council of Zimbabwe (TSCZ). The World Health Organization estimates that the true figure could be three times higher, according to a recent United Nations report.

Zimbabwe loses an average of 3% of its gross domestic product yearly to road crashes, the TSCZ said in 2017.

Why would being a Christian keep one from being in a bus crash? If God's plan was to keep Christians from dying then the world would be overflowing with Christians who never died for the last 2,000 years. Christians and non-Christians experience physical suffering.

Even the apostle Paul did not live a pain-free life. He experienced quite a bit of hardship, including floggings for being outspoken with his faith. Paul and Timothy wrote 2 Corinthians together which says in chapter 4 verses 8 and 9:

8We are hard pressed on every side, but not crushed; perplexed, but not in despair; 9persecuted, but not abandoned; struck down, but not destroyed.​

 

[studentofthemarkets]

Yes it is wrong imo.
That was the message right from day1 of Christianity, just like Billy Graham bs, "Humanity is off to hell, you can get a ticket to heaven now, just sign up, join our church".

That was not Billy Graham's message. It's never been about signing up for a church. It's always been about reconciling the relationship with God.

If someone steals his dad's car, wouldn't it be right for him to fear the consequences? The only way for the relationship to be reconciled is to deal with the issue of stealing.

If someone has sinned against God, isn't it right for him to fear the consequences? The only way for the relationship to be reconciled is to deal with the sin issue.

 

[themickey]

That was not Billy Graham's message. It's never been about signing up for a church. It's always been about reconciling the relationship with God.

If someone steals his dad's car, wouldn't it be right for him to fear the consequences? The only way for the relationship to be reconciled is to deal with the issue of stealing.

If someone has sinned against God, isn't it right for him to fear the consequences? The only way for the relationship to be reconciled is to deal with the sin issue.

When a child misbehaves, do you whack it around the ears, in my case yes received many beatings, but it's not the correct method. (Bible however believes in punishment).
Humans and sin are natural, like a child misbehaving, do you make child responsible?
Child will misbehave at times, human adults too.
We lock people up in prison, most often they come out worse than they went in because the rectification method is all about inflicting pain, not about education.

 

[themickey]

This was an idea I had yesterday and then couldn't remember it.....
Adam must have had a lousy relationship with God when in the garden of Eden.
Serpent comes along, spins a bs story and Adam believes serpent rather than believing God.

What kind of person listens to bs when your close best friend told you otherwise?
Adam must have had a shallow relationship to be sucked in so easy.
Makes me wonder about this bs Adam & Eve story, not surprisingly.

 

[themickey]

Why would being a Christian keep one from being in a bus crash?

Wtf pray for?

 

[themickey]

When a child misbehaves, do you whack it around the ears, in my case yes received many beatings, but it's not the correct method. (Bible however believes in punishment).
Humans and sin are natural, like a child misbehaving, do you make child responsible?
Child will misbehave at times, human adults too.
We lock people up in prison, most often they come out worse than they went in because the rectification method is all about inflicting pain, not about education.

Punishment is the bible's method of sorting out sin, mostly it refers to physical punishment.
The bible came from God according to christians.
Physical punishment on children has adverse psychological effects.
Better to show patience, understanding, love and education so that children likewise grow in understanding and respect.
Not so God, throw them in the fire!

For centuries people have inflicted physical punishment on children, only recently they have banned it in western countries because of the damage, but, where it fails, many parents for example do not teach their children morals.

 

[themickey]

If you treat children like shit, are they going to grow up functional, balanced, respectful? Prolly not.

If God places humans in a cauldron of grief, a world of wars, famines, evil, dog eat dog societies, are they going to have respect for God? Prolly not.