That's a very negative report.
Too bad.
The world would be a better place if Rossi's machine actually worked.
Too bad.
The world would be a better place if Rossi's machine actually worked.
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Andrea Rossi: Game Changer or Mad Scientist
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Quote from Random.Capital:
That's a very negative report.
Too bad.
The world would be a better place if Rossi's machine actually worked.
Which report is negative? It seems that Rossi's catalyst, which might amplify the fusion, appears to work while the other scientist is still trying to find a catalyst.
The point was if a scientist says he can measure ~8watts, then it's hard to see how readings of 3000 watts or more can be called noise or measurement error. Until patents are issued and products are on the market, we won't know with 100% certainty that this works. Hopefully, within 3 months or so, we will know.
Quote from endsongs:
Here is the link to a scientist, completely independent of Rossi, who was able to clearly measure about 8 watts of cold fusion power using a Ni-H type of setup. It's possible that if this person was able to measure 8 watts, which might be close to the noise floor, the measurements in the kilowatt range done by Rossi might be orders of magnitude above the noise floor.
http://nextbigfuture.com/2011/06/brian-ahern-getting-8-watts-in-low.html
There is nothing in that report of the Ahern experiments to indicate that cold fusion is occurring. The best that can be said is that there appears to be some excess heat, but its origin is unknown, and it is a very small amount of excess heat so its determination is subject to large relative error.
Quote from Random.Capital:
The world would be a better place if Rossi's machine actually worked.
I wouldn't count on that. Man found what can practically be called free energy (oil) and utilizing that magnificent finding, has nearly destroyed the planet. As that source is now starting to dry up, mother earth is getting a chance to recover.
Think what would happen if we get a new kind of way to produce limitless amounts of energy. It would be like giving the keys of a liquor store to an alcoholic.
Quote from endsongs:
Which report is negative? It seems that Rossi's catalyst, which might amplify the fusion, appears to work while the other scientist is still trying to find a catalyst.
The point was if a scientist says he can measure ~8watts, then it's hard to see how readings of 3000 watts or more can be called noise or measurement error. Until patents are issued and products are on the market, we won't know with 100% certainty that this works. Hopefully, within 3 months or so, we will know.
Well it seems to me that Rossi's catalyst sounds an awful lot like Raney Nickel, a common hydrogenation catalyst known since the early part of the twentieth century. A great deal of hydrogen can be adsorped onto Raney Nickel "nano particles". Could cold fusion occur? Maybe, but not likely between two proteum atoms, more likely if deuterium is involved I would think. No one, until recently, would have ever thought to look for fusion in Raney Nickel. That Rossi character seems like someone who does not really understand what he is doing. If cold fusion is ever proven, it is highly unlikely to be a guy like Rossi that does it.
Quote from endsongs:
Which report is negative?
The one that shows 3 orders of magnitude less energy production than Rossi claims - energy production so low it's inside experimental error - in an experiment performed by a guy looking for investors for his own Perpetual Motion Machine company - who is nonetheless inaccurately portrayed as an "MIT scientist", which he is not.
That report.
Hope that clarifies.
Quote from Random.Capital:
The one that shows 3 orders of magnitude less energy production than Rossi claims - energy production so low it's inside experimental error - in an experiment performed by a guy looking for investors for his own Perpetual Motion Machine company - who is nonetheless inaccurately portrayed as an "MIT scientist", which he is not.
That report.
Hope that clarifies.
Ok. Rossi is using a certain catalyst to supposedly give the orders of magnitude increase in power from typical cold fusion experiments. The key is that Rossi has a catalyst that works while others are still searching for a catalyst.
In terms of measurements, recording 8 watts accurately would probably be considered trivial. Browse most scientific journals and the researchers routinely make measurements in the milliwatt, microwatt, and perhaps even the nanowatt range. I didn't see mention of the error range of the instruments, but it's probably low.
Quote from piezoe:
Well it seems to me that Rossi's catalyst sounds an awful lot like Raney Nickel, a common hydrogenation catalyst known since the early part of the twentieth century. A great deal of hydrogen can be adsorped onto Raney Nickel "nano particles". Could cold fusion occur? Maybe, but not likely between two proteum atoms, more likely if deuterium is involved I would think. No one, until recently, would have ever thought to look for fusion in Raney Nickel. That Rossi character seems like someone who does not really understand what he is doing. If cold fusion is ever proven, it is highly unlikely to be a guy like Rossi that does it.
The E cat does not use Raney Nickel. This question has already been posed to Rossi and he said it is not Raney Nickel.
Randell Mill's Blacklight technologies uses Raney Nickel in a similar process though.