And just like that, the media went silent about the shooting at the STEM school in Colorado

[El OchoCinco]

So if the kids get drunk one night when the parents are out and take the family car out for a spin and kill some people, are the parents criminally liable there as well? The only real difference is you want to demonize gun ownership.

I have not demonized gun ownership at all, in fact I already assumed the guns were legally owned and only focused on them being IMPORPERLY stored. You want to own a gun, fine. You want to leave it lying around or unlocked and your kid or someone easily takes it and kills people, then you should pay. it is not a toy.

A family car and a gun are two different things. A family car was not designed to kill anyone though it can be used improperly for that result. A loaded gun in the house serves only one purpose so the parents should be held to a higher standard of care in how they safeguard it.

But if the underage kids do take the car, the parents will be sued for everything they own and most likely lose that case before it ever goes to court and have to pay. If your car is stolen and the thief rams into another car causes damage, guess what...your insurance will have to pay.

If your dog bites someone, guess what...you pay.


In your fantasy world the law suddenly should not apply to guns and you want parents to have ZERO responsibility.

 

[Tsing Tao]

I rest my case

In your liberal mind, the will to protect one's family with lethal force if the unthinkable happens is equated to a gleeful desire to shoot someone. We can't have honest dialogue where real problems are solved because of folks like you. Your stupid commentary immediately puts the other side to confrontation.

 

[El OchoCinco]

You have about ten seconds to respond to the average home invasion. Typically there are multiple intruders.

I think the average incident involves more time than that. The competitiveness of home alarm systems, many you can install yourself has made them more prevelant leading to more deterrents of home invasions.

Home Burgularies have been on the decline overall.
Home security industry has boomeed and average houses have better alarm systems, secure doors and windows and better lighting.
If we take into account burgulries that occur in poorer neighborhoods with less of these items, often break ins will occur when occupants are not home as they have cased the place or know their victims before hand.

One stat that is interesting is that 2.5 million victims use a gun to scare their offender in 2016. They mostly use the firearm to scare their offender away.

This last stat to me implies there is more than 10 seconds from recognition of a break in until they can secure their weapon. there is always that special case where 4 guys break in like ninjas and overwhelm you in seconds but nothing will stop that and it is most likely a planned hit.

 

[Tsing Tao]

I think the average incident involves more time than that. The competitiveness of home alarm systems, many you can install yourself has made them more prevelant leading to more deterrents of home invasions.

Home Burgularies have been on the decline overall.
Home security industry has boomeed and average houses have better alarm systems, secure doors and windows and better lighting.
If we take into account burgulries that occur in poorer neighborhoods with less of these items, often break ins will occur when occupants are not home as they have cased the place or know their victims before hand.

One stat that is interesting is that 2.5 million victims use a gun to scare their offender in 2016. They mostly use the firearm to scare their offender away.

This last stat to me implies there is more than 10 seconds from recognition of a break in until they can secure their weapon. there is always that special case where 4 guys break in like ninjas and overwhelm you in seconds but nothing will stop that and it is most likely a planned hit.

Think tactically. A home invasion, where someone answers the door and assailants rush in and take over the house is the most dangerous scenario of all. People answering the door are not likely to have a weapon, and the intruders have already taken control of one or more people from the moment they get in. The alarm is not going to be triggered.

The intruder most likely does not know the layout of the home (unless they have been there before, and that is more likely to be a rape or sexual assault scenario where they return) and you have the advantage of the battlefield. What you don't get to pick is the time of the incident. If someone begins kicking down your door or breaks a window in the middle of the night, they have the element of surprise.

A window broken does not normally set off an alarm - keep that in mind. A dog should react, though.

 

[Cuddles]

In your liberal mind, the will to protect one's family with lethal force if the unthinkable happens is equated to a gleeful desire to shoot someone. We can't have honest dialogue where real problems are solved because of folks like you. Your stupid commentary immediately puts the other side to confrontation.

Says gun owners should keep their guns safe from children and locked,

Gets butt hurt when someone points out irresponsible gun owners having their guns ready to fire for "tactical readiness".

 

[Tsing Tao]

Says gun owners should keep their guns safe from children and locked,

Gets butt hurt when someone points out irresponsible gun owners having their guns ready to fire for "tactical readiness".

Those words frighten you, don't they. "Tactical readiness".

Truth is, you're not here to solve any problem on gun safety. You're here to post snarky commentary, snarky incorrect commentary, and back peddle when called on it.

Here was your original quote:

But how will I keep my fantasies alive of blasting home invaders in the last second if I can't keep my loaded cocked pistol under my pillow?

Then you backtrack, saying "irresponsible gun owners".

Hey, but troll's gotta troll. Thanks for the reminder that it is worthless to try to work out the issue with you folks.

 

[El OchoCinco]

Think tactically. A home invasion, where someone answers the door and assailants rush in and take over the house is the most dangerous scenario of all. People answering the door are not likely to have a weapon, and the intruders have already taken control of one or more people from the moment they get in. The alarm is not going to be triggered.

The intruder most likely does not know the layout of the home (unless they have been there before, and that is more likely to be a rape or sexual assault scenario where they return) and you have the advantage of the battlefield. What you don't get to pick is the time of the incident. If someone begins kicking down your door or breaks a window in the middle of the night, they have the element of surprise.

A window broken does not normally set off an alarm - keep that in mind. A dog should react, though.

I think we strayed off topic here

 

[Cuddles]

Those words frighten you, don't they. "Tactical readiness".

Truth is, you're not here to solve any problem on gun safety. You're here to post snarky commentary, snarky incorrect commentary, and back peddle when called on it.

Here was your original quote:



Then you backtrack, saying "irresponsible gun owners".

Hey, but troll's gotta troll. Thanks for the reminder that it is worthless to try to work out the issue with you folks.

How is it back pedaling when AAA basically stated "don't keep your guns locked, you got 10 seconds", proving my point?

 

[Tsing Tao]

How is it back pedaling when AAA basically stated "don't keep your guns locked, you got 10 seconds", proving my point?

Just because AAA is wrong about keeping his guns unlocked does not mean he is some sort of lunatic with fantasies of killing someone in his house, like you snarkly implied originally.

 

[Cuddles]

Just because AAA is wrong about keeping his guns unlocked does not mean he is some sort of lunatic with fantasies of killing someone in his house, like you snarkly implied originally.

Lunacy, delusional paranoia, anthropophobia, call it whatever you want,

Unsafe storage practices are also a key contributor to gun violence death and injury, particularly among vulnerable populations like children. A 2018 study found that approximately 4.6 million American children and minors are living in homes with at least one loaded and unlocked firearm.7 Another study similarly reported that “[o]f the homes with children and firearms, 55% were reported to have one or more firearms in an unlocked place,” and 43% reported keeping guns without a trigger lock in an unlocked place.8

Studies show that these unsecured weapons are frequently accessible to—and accessed by—young children, even when parents believe they are not. 73% of children aged nine and under reported knowing the location of their parents’ firearms and 36% admitted that they had handled the weapons, including many whose parents had reported their children did not know the location of their firearm.9 It is therefore unsurprising that 89% of accidental shooting deaths among children occur in the home and that most of these deaths occur when children are playing with an unsecured loaded gun in their parents’ absence.10