Analysis of Christopher Hitchen's argument against God

Quote from MarketMasher:

Ok gents - enuf fucking around....

I apologize to Stu and KTS for any offense.

All I got left to say on this is:

I (personally) have NO FUCKIN' CLUE on whether A Supreme Being (not to be confused with The Supremes) exists.

But...I'll keep an open mind.......

You can keep your mind open or closed on the subject - it really doesn't affect anybody else.

(But like Janet Tavakoli said - not so open that your brains fall out).
On my behalf apology accepted.
Keep an open mind, I wholly agree. But it’s clear those closed minds which insist on a so called Supreme Being have in doing so adversely affected a whole world, as religion tries unreasonably to insinuate itself into every level of society.

But hey, times they are a changin'.
Thank goodness.
 
Design is not the same thing as intelligent design. You know that right?

I thought this might be useful especially for Jem, who couldn’t spell cite, can’t understand the hearsay rule, and promotes false information, but who likes to pretend he was a lawyer……
It shows how creationist intelligent design assertion(s) have no grounding, and is also a place for those who think they can do law, to go learn some….. all in one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rW_2lLG9EZM&feature=related


Quote from OPTIONAL777:

Sorry, but there is no actual evidence of design.

The scientists will say it looks like design...because no reasonable person would say it doesn't look designed...but they can't "scientifically" make the leap to assert that there is evidence of design.

Which is odd, because they make the leap to "random" causes being a necessary factor in their evolutionary theory, when there is no scientific evidence of a random force at work...apart from a lack of a known ordered and planned cause...so they opt for ignorance, meaning they assume random without actual knowledge and/or fact of random causation.

So in one situation, they consider a lack of evidence proper evidence to assume random, and in other situations they demand evidence before they can assume design.

It is logically inconsistent...but what the heck, they are scientists and are not bound to logical consistency.

That's why I take the position that we assume neither, and just stick to what is actually worthy of the term "evidence" when we teach science to children in public schools. Let the kids learn theory when they are past the stage of indoctrination, said indoctrination which happens when children are in primary and secondary schools.

Let them learn about the theories, when the have a firm foundation of science first, and are able to properly question their teachers on the theories that are presented. If that was done, we wouldn't have generations who believe dogmatically (without evidence mind you) that humans evolved from lower species by random chance.

Genuine scientific evidence is one thing, the opinions of scientists is another, and they are not equivalents.
 
Quote from stu:

On my behalf apology accepted.
Keep an open mind, I wholly agree. But it’s clear those closed minds which insist on a so called Supreme Being have in doing so adversely affected a whole world, as religion tries unreasonably to insinuate itself into every level of society.

But hey, times they are a changin'.
Thank goodness.


Oops - had to pipe in one more time on that.....

Cuz that statement is equating the existence of "God" with "Religion - and I'm not even sure there's a legitimate association there..... :D

In fact, if those debaters removed every reference to religion other than acknowledging it's historical existence (assuming they both agree it has existed in the past), it might have been better.
 
Do me a favor.

You are a bad loser. You must know by now you've been exposed purposely denying that you subscribe to a belief system of non God.
Liar fraud and coward too, jackpot.

(As long as you are making claims filled with ad homs like yours below, might as well boomerang an equivalent claim back your way).

Quote from stu:

Do me a favor.

You are a bad loser. You must know by now you've been exposed purposely pushing misinformation like a broken record in false support for ridiculous assertions of intelligent design .
Liar fraud and coward too, jackpot.
 
Yes, design is not the same as intelligent design.

Your comments are unintelligent design, similar to your "knowledge" that you assert is not a claim.

It is interesting that those who love science, worship science, have full faith and belief in science...are often found to be so illogical.

This unintelligent design of a theory is also found in science as well, as evolutionists random chance assertion(s) have no grounding in fact, but are grounded in a concept of non fact, i.e. random chance.

However, I do suspect jem will take your bait and froth at the mouth and get all emotional, as that is what he generally does.

While you will not actually win the argument logically, you will likely win the battle of who is able to incite rage in whom with greater efficiency...


Quote from stu:

Design is not the same thing as intelligent design. You know that right?

I thought this might be useful especially for Jem, who couldn’t spell cite, can’t understand the hearsay rule, and promotes false information, but who likes to pretend he was a lawyer……
It shows how creationist intelligent design assertion(s) have no grounding, and is also a place for those who think they can do law, to go learn some….. all in one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rW_2lLG9EZM&feature=related
 
Requiring the debate to be held only to the concept of God, and not the various (mostly Christian) religions would not allow the full venting of unresolved childhood issues that plague the atheists...

Quote from MarketMasher:

Oops - had to pipe in one more time on that.....

Cuz that statement is equating the existence of "God" with "Religion - and I'm not even sure there's a legitimate association there..... :D

In fact, if those debaters removed every reference to religion other than acknowledging it's historical existence (assuming they both agree it has existed in the past), it might have been better.
 
One man's opinion...one possibility, with underlying assumptions that don't meet a logical test of a strong foundation for a logical argument.

Scientists are not bound by the strict laws of logic, scientists can pretend anything as a first proposition without any way to verify logically or scientifically that first assumptions, then they can build castles in the sky (or universe) that "might" be true.

The unsophisticated atheists lap this shit up as confirmation of their own belief system like longshot laps up stujism...

 
Quote from OPTIONAL777:

Do me a favor.

You are a bad loser. You must know by now you've been exposed purposely denying that you subscribe to a belief system of non God.
Liar fraud and coward too, jackpot.

(As long as you are making claims filled with ad homs like yours below, might as well boomerang an equivalent claim back your way).
Just please don't ever step in to defend or agree with me with your nonsense.
I certainly wouldn't wish to be that wrong about anything.
 
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