Analysis of Christopher Hitchen's argument against God

[MarketMasher]

Quote from killthesunshine:

i think your both a couple phucktards with yur silly "where is the disproof?"

By the way.....

Your statement about "disproof" is a sneaky way of slipping in your own conclusion as a fact. That is: you are presupposing that your position "there is no God" is correct, and therefore any request for proof is labeled "disproof".

However, I make no claim at all - I say that I am uncertain as to the existence of God.

YOU however, ARE making a claim that there IS NO God.

So I say - Prove it.

And just as a knowledge check in the fullness of information you have - how many planets beside Uranus have you visited?

 

[OPTIONAL777]

I assure you, he will not see the math problem you have just presented...

Quote from MarketMasher:

And yet someone claimed "math is proven".

Does that mean the answers to unsolved math problems (Millennium Prize questions) do not exist? The answers to those problems are not proven, so that means there ARE no mathematical proofs????

Then NONE of previously solved Prize questions should EVER have been answered, because they were not proven before they were proven!!

Damn them!! Damn them ALL for solving what they should NEVER have solved because the answers did not exist!!!

 

[LORD KAL-EL]

Quote from killthesunshine:

i think your both a couple phucktards with yur silly "where is the disproof?"

Well leaving aside what I think of you and stu, what is your criterion for proving the existence of God?

 

[MarketMasher]

As someone who is uncertain of the existence of God, I am just trying to grasp the claim of those who are "certain".

To me, it seems that God would be the outermost rectangle in a Venn diagram (the biggest Superset). Then inside that would be subsets, like the collective information of the (multiverses?) universe - such as, what are the life-forms in the Alpha Centauri part of the universe like, does the Higgs Boson exist, etc - then a teeny-tiny circle representing the sum of mankind's current knowledge.

Now, to answer whether there even exists the outermost Superset, you would have to pass through all the rectangular subsets along the way, otherwise you would be working using incomplete information...

So....for claimers who "know"...what's all the rest of that information on the rest of the universe?

After going thru that, you can provide proof about the existence/non - of God.

 

[stu]

Quote from MarketMasher:

As someone who is uncertain of the existence of God, I am just trying to grasp the claim of those who are "certain".

To me, it seems that God would be the outermost rectangle in a Venn diagram (the biggest Superset). Then inside that would be subsets, like the collective information of the (multiverses?) universe - such as, what are the life-forms in the Alpha Centauri part of the universe like, does the Higgs Boson exist, etc - then a teeny-tiny circle representing the sum of mankind's current knowledge.

Now, to answer whether there even exists the outermost Superset, you would have to pass through all the rectangular subsets along the way, otherwise you would be working using incomplete information...

So....for claimers who "know"...what's all the rest of that information on the rest of the universe?

After going thru that, you can provide proof about the existence/non - of God.

It's fatuous to claim someone must have all the information in the universe to know if God exists or not. How do you know it is correct to claim that ? Do YOU have all the information in the universe?

Of course you don't need to know everything to know some things.

The problem is there's nothing in any way substantial to indicate your Superset or God.
There's no essential necessity for them, and no practical imperative to prove them.
Only blind belief makes claims of them. That's how it is for all mythical ideas.

You don't need to know everything to recognize the actual ways in which your Superset and God are already not existing.

Therefore with no reasonable grounds nor any concrete reason established to have any belief that they do exist in the first place, there really is no essential or separate need to demand they don't.

 

[LORD KAL-EL]

Quote from stu:

It's fatuous to claim someone must have all the information in the universe to know if God exists or not.

So are you claiming "to know if God exists or not. "?

If you do, then lets hear your discovery of the century.
If not then it's just your "opinion".

 

[stu]

Quote from LORD KAL-EL:

So are you claiming "to know if God exists or not. "?

If you do, then lets hear your discovery of the century.
If not then it's just your "opinion".

Sure I know.
Everything else must be just your "opinion" then.

 

[LORD KAL-EL]

Quote from stu:

Sure I know.

Well of course you do.




(Who are you trying to kid here .We ALL (including you )KNOW you don't know whether God exists or not.)

 

[stu]

Quote from LORD KAL-EL:

Well of course you do.




(Who are you trying to kid here .We ALL (including you )KNOW you don't know whether God exists or not.)

That'll be just YOUR "opinion"

 

[LORD KAL-EL]

Quote from stu:

That'll be just YOUR "opinion"

State your case and evidence stu.