Anabolic Steroid With Big Diet

[traderdragon]

Ha. Dont know about the other guys here, but im a nationally ranked athelete. Ive done this research. Ive experimented with myself.

In fact, I posted actual studies that prove my position.

Quote from Bearbelly:

One thing that surprises me that I dont see in comments about traders is that theyseem to know everything about everything.

 

[riskarb]

Quote from Trader273:

"a freakin' retard" thats a good argument. So what if he smoked. You stating that fact would imply that all other bodybyuilders are in perfect health. The opposite is actually true. They might look great on the outside but they are the most unhealthy people around. Smoking didnt play a role in his death. His brother died of the same thing, but he wasnt a smoker. They were both genetically predisposed to there heart condition.

Just because Mentzer challenged the system, (eg the more is better idea started by Joe Weider and carried on by Arnold). Then I would agree. Like it or not, he was a pioneer and a free thinker. He challenged the system and some people can't accept that fact.

Who is a freaking retard. The person that endlessly goes to the gym 1-2 hours a day, 5-6 days a week and havent seen a change in years, but goes on doing the same thing over and over because that is what everyone else does. Or the person who thinks outside the box??

You make a valid argument here... smoking is NOT an environmetal factor in progression of energy-dependent heart disease/cardiomyopathy. Look up LVEF and smoking. Awesome, you should get that published.

Guy was a train wreck. Drank and smoked excessively. This is the lifestyle you care to emulate? Yeah, that's outside the box. Time to get back your yours.

 

[Thunderdog]

Quote from traderdragon:

...Ive seen it too many damn times, guys in the gym working their asses off and not getting any bigger. They increase their caloric intake, *a lot*, and boom they grow. 16 extra calories a day wouldn't do a damn thing.

I am 48 years old and have worked out with weights for most of my adult life. When you say, "And boom they grow, " I would venture to say that their "intake" has not been solely of the caloric variety. If you are not getting enough calories then, sure enough, you will not grow. But I have seen people change over the course of years at a number of gyms. "Boom" suggests that someone is playing with chemistry.

 

[riskarb]

Quote from traderdragon:

Are you aware that if you inject tons of steroids and dont lift weight and dont eat like crazy that practically nothing will happen???

It is absolutely false, and obviously so, that the "credibility I assign to them is in the drugs they take".

Steroids will not get you these kinds of results without the protein, and workouts. Obvious FACT.

Amen brother.

 

[Trader273]

Quote from riskarb:

FWIW, I've been involved with natural and juiced bodybuilders for years. The natural guys do not gain significant mass until they break 2g/day. I am not recommending anyone ingest 2g/day. The physiologic load and achieving a +nitrogen balance require adequate protein for repair and growth.

1g is adequate for casual lifters wanting to achieve gains.

But this opens the door of what weightlifting program is the best. I did the 4-5 day split and i was always drained and overtrained. Even though i was going through my 10lb bag of Optimum Nutrition like it was going out of style. The purpose of lifting is to breakdown the muscle, let it heal, and then do it again. People are good at steps 1 and 3, but not 2. I workout 1 time a week, oh boy here come the flames. But i have progressed EVERY workout. I either go up in reps or weight every workout. I stick to compound excercises taken to complete failure. So, I give my body time to repair itself. The person that does the 3,4,5,6 day split doesnt. Perhaps that is why they need more protein, but good luck keeping that up. Overtraining is something that cant be over come by eating. I dont care what Lee Priest says.:eek:

 

[jho]

Quote from Bearbelly:

One thing that surprises me that I dont see in comments about traders is that theyseem to know everything about everything.

Of course man, everyone and I mean EVERYONE on ET is a profitable 300lb juice monkey. Didn't you know that?

 

[riskarb]

Quote from Trader273:

But this opens the door of what weightlifting program is the best. I did the 4-5 day split and i was always drained and overtrained. Even though i was going through my 10lb bag of Optimum Nutrition like it was going out of style. The purpose of lifting is to breakdown the muscle, let it heal, and then do it again. People are good at steps 1 and 3, but not 2. I workout 1 time a week, oh boy here come the flames. But i have progressed EVERY workout. I either go up in reps or weight every workout. I stick to compound excercises taken to complete failure. So, I give my body time to repair itself. The person that does the 3,4,5,6 day split doesnt. Perhaps that is why they need more protein, but good luck keeping that up. Overtraining is something that cant be over come by eating. I dont care what Lee Priest says.:eek:

Agree 100% with your last. Time you starting making some sense. I do 70% compound exercises as well, perhaps more. I work out when I feel rested, which often means blowing the weekly split. I don't train to absolute failure as I train alone. The exception is when using a Smith or power-rack. Squats and deads once a week. 5x5 sets usually every third day. Periodization along with adequate protein is the key to growth.

 

[Trader273]

Quote from riskarb:

Agree 100% with your last. Time you starting making some sense.

HA, you are a funny one. I would highly recommend that you pick up some of Mentzer's books. Try to think outside the box for once. It amazes me when I go to my gym and I see the same guy every week working out with the same trainer, and week after week does the same thing over and over, but his body never changes. I bet you're that guy.

 

[traderdragon]

"Boom" is misleading. I mean "boom" as in they break thru their plateau and start getting bigger over time. Not BOOM they gained 10lbs in one month (steroid use).

Quote from Thunderdog:

I am 48 years old and have worked out with weights for most of my adult life. When you say, "And boom they grow, " I would venture to say that their "intake" has not been solely of the caloric variety. If you are not getting enough calories then, sure enough, you will not grow. But I have seen people change over the course of years at a number of gyms. "Boom" suggests that someone is playing with chemistry.

 

[Thunderdog]

Quote from traderdragon:

Are you aware that if you inject tons of steroids and dont lift weight and dont eat like crazy that practically nothing will happen???

It is absolutely false, and obviously so, that the "credibility I assign to them is in the drugs they take".

Steroids will not get you these kinds of results without the protein, and workouts. Obvious FACT.

Fine. You are referring to a regimen that incorporates, and is adjusted for, the use of steroids. Admittedly, that is beyond my experience and limited knowledge. Good luck with that.