An Interview with Dick Lindzen

co2 causes those with low brain power and high govt need to pretend that they have evidence man made co2 causes warming and ocean acidification (which is very speculative and really means the oceans are getting fractionally less alkaline... as they have also done in the past.)


http://www.law360.com/articles/568751/epa-seeks-to-sink-green-group-s-ocean-acidification-suit

The EPA’s response is that there is insufficient evidence to support an endangerment finding – an apparent contradiction of their own previous climate narrative.

“There were no in situ field studies documenting adverse effects on the health of aquatic life populations in either state,” the EPA’s motion says. “Nor was there any other information documenting effects on indigenous populations of aquatic life in state waters indicating stressors attributable to ocean acidification. The only information available regarding aquatic life in ambient waters under natural conditions was inconclusive.”

If I have understood this ridiculous situation correctly, the EPA is now in a position in which it may have to admit in court that some of its previous official statements about ocean acidification were not supported by available evidence.

Of course, if the EPA loses the case, an even more farcical situation may arise – the EPA’s failure may open the floodgate for compensation lawsuits against the US government, from people who claim their livelihoods are being damaged by ocean acidification, due to the EPA’s failure to protect the environment from CO2 “pollution”.
 
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a most ridiculous statement when put in contect. the oceans are alkaline.
they have moved slightly toward more neutral... something they have done in the past as well.

trying to blame that on man made co2 is way beyond science's ability.

futurecurrents said:
The ocean are now something like 40% more acidic than two hundred years ago because they are absorbing much of our CO2.
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jem said:
a most ridiculous statement when put in contect. the oceans are alkaline.
they have moved slightly toward more neutral... something they have done in the past as well.

trying to blame that on man made co2 is way beyond science's ability.
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And claiming that it's perfectly natural is way beyond yours.
 
jerm is the real douchebag here. A lying intellectually dishonest douchebag.


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the question is not whether acidification is happening, but how bad it will get -- which depends on future CO2 emissions.

"Today, the atmospheric CO2 concentration is about 388 parts per million," she said. "This is the highest that it's ever been in the past 800,000 years -- as far back as the record goes right now. And there are concerns about where we're headed."

A 30% rise since the Industrial Revolution

Since the beginning of the Industrial Revolution, the oceans have absorbed about a third of human-caused carbon dioxide emissions. That has resulted in water 30 percent more acidic than it was before factories, cars, planes and other fossil fuel-burning machines became widespread.

By the end of the century, if CO2 emissions grow at the current trajectory, the world's oceans could become 150 percent more acidic. That doesn't bode well for sea creatures like oysters, corals and plankton that grow hard shells made of a chalky mineral called calcium carbonate. If ocean water becomes too acidic, it can begin dissolving those shells, sometimes faster than creatures can rebuild them. It's a development scientists believe could ripple up the food chain.


http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/acidic-oceans/
 
jem, just do the earth a favor and kill yourself now. It's science deniers like you that are one of the biggest threats to the earth. The earth yearns for your death. It is the only thing that will shut your lying douchebag mouth.
 
1. The ocean has been warming since the last ice age.
Do you think that might effect the balance?

2. co2 has been going up trailing the ocean warming?

3. so who the hell says that man made co2 is doing it.

you have the mind of a donut fraudcurrents.


here was a comment...to your article...


The story lacks substance. What does "30 percent more acidic" mean? Do we know the pH of the ocean before the industrial revolution, or is this just another "proxy"?



These are not idle questions; pH is not a linear relationship but a logarithmic scale. Going from pH 7 (neutral), each 10-fold change in H+ concentration produces a "1" change in pH. What that means is that the absolute amount of CO2 in terms of relative change depends on where you were to start with. To the extend that CO2 merely dissolves in water, it does not by itself change pH but a portion of the CO2 will or may change to carbonic acid, a weak acid.



This cite seems to have some problems but it is better than nothing:

http://www.acid-base.com/terminology.php



(The author makes a lot of noise about H+ when it loses an electron, but the fact is that H= is entirely appropriate since the atom has become positively charged).





Citation: (beware, it too appears to be a bit unscientific although it cites some good research)

http://www.epa.gov/waterscience/criteria/aqlife/marine-ph.html

"As more CO2 dissolves in the ocean, it reduces ocean pH, which changes the chemistry of the water." Up to a point, yes and that point ought to have been declared.



Meanwhile, it is like carbonated soda -- if the oceans have too much, they'll give up CO2 to achieve an equilibrium:

http://www.chem.usu.edu/~sbialkow/Classes/3600/Overheads/Carbonate/CO2.html



One of the papers in a series of argumentative papers showing that the science is NOT settled: (but getting more scientific!)

http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/reprint/319/5863/570b



A weakness in this paper is the assumption that the rate ofCO2 emissions will increase (an integral of the actual accumulated CO2) to 2100 producing a sense of urgency. However, this is not only unrealistic, it is impossible to achieve. The advent of $4 per gallon gasoline changed driving patterns, initially by a small amount but as people change automobiles and driving patterns (shorter commutes) the cumulative effect is much gereater, this author below estimates 4 percent driving reduction for 10 percent increase in price. However, a feedback mechanism exists that impacts the total economy much more than is apparent from a simple price rise of gasoline.



http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/88xx/doc8893/01-14-GasolinePrices.pdf



That's 58 pages but has plenty of charts 'n stuff.










futurecurrents said:
jerm is the real douchebag here. A lying intellectually dishonest douchebag.


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the question is not whether acidification is happening, but how bad it will get -- which depends on future CO2 emissions.

"Today, the atmospheric CO2 concentration is about 388 parts per million," she said. "This is the highest that it's ever been in the past 800,000 years -- as far back as the record goes right now. And there are concerns about where we're headed."

A 30% rise since the Industrial Revolution

Since the beginning of the Industrial Revolution, the oceans have absorbed about a third of human-caused carbon dioxide emissions. That has resulted in water 30 percent more acidic than it was before factories, cars, planes and other fossil fuel-burning machines became widespread.

By the end of the century, if CO2 emissions grow at the current trajectory, the world's oceans could become 150 percent more acidic. That doesn't bode well for sea creatures like oysters, corals and plankton that grow hard shells made of a chalky mineral called calcium carbonate. If ocean water becomes too acidic, it can begin dissolving those shells, sometimes faster than creatures can rebuild them. It's a development scientists believe could ripple up the food chain.


http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/acidic-oceans/
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