An American Hero

Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz:

Soldiers are simply not trained and/or indoctrinated to question orders from superiors...they are not trained to question authority.
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What in the hell is the point of this statement? They're soldiers!! By definition they are trained to do the opposite. That's the way an army works.

These people (ZTroll-people) would likely have conflict resolution tents on the battlefield, where privates could discuss their orders with the commanding officer (with an arbiter and a lawyer present, of course).
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No one wants to think their efforts were in vain, or that they were used by Bush or others to fulfill their own personal agendas, it is much easier to think that Bush are others are some good guys and that their efforts for being a good soldier makes them true patriots for not questioning the Commander and Chief.
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Perfect example of your muddled, PC-infested, culture-of-victimization way of thinking. Soldiers do not carry out their orders because it causes them less cognitive dissonance to do so without question, and thus to believe they are being good soldiers, than it would to admit that they question those orders and that their efforts might be in vain. Soldiers carry out their orders because that's their job - to carry out their orders. Your suggestion that they are in 'denial' is completely baseless - it is pure assertion.

You (predictably) don't understand that a soldier might think that his efforts are in vain and that the strategy is misguided, but carry out his orders to the letter anyway.

This is something that you would never understand, being the moral relativist that you are. Thank God people like you are the (despicable) minority.
 
Quote from traderNik:

LMAO!!!!!

Beavis, you fucking retard, there are 14 in this thread alone!!!!.

(As you, in your 17-year-old way, would say),

LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL

It must really suck to be so stupid that you can't give even the most cursory thought to your posts before you let them fly. I mean when you step in the shit, you have no option but to post pictures of poodles, as you've so ably done in the past. In this you share a something with your bunkmate, zEvader.

There is no wonder that you have this wide-eyed belief in any conspiracy theory that Joe Buttfuck posts on Google Video.

The more I read your posts, the more I'm convinced that you're a 17 year old kid.

Batshitgirl, thank you. This post was one for the ages. Maybe less than 70, indeed....
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obviously math is not your strength. why do you lie then laugh??? it discredits everything you said. you said 1000... that is the stupidest remark you could make. seriously, are you this much of an idiot??? don't answer... we already know.
 
Quote from OldTrader:

No Ratsass, I don't find the video "amusing". But I do find you to be pathetic. Your post was insulting, and revealing of how f*cked up you really are. You are pitiful.

OldTrader
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coming from you this is an honor.
 
Quote from ratboy88:

maybe 1000....

ROFLMAO !!!
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Just to point out... you are starting to use exactly the same techniques as the most despised member of this site. This is something Z does all the time when a post makes him uncomfortable. He cuts and pastes.

You've also started to use the bizarre image post when you feel threatened - another Z riff.

This is a disturbing development.

batgirl, you're a bit of a joke here but you aren't in his league and you shouldn't demean yourself by using his techniques.
 
Quote from traderNik:

Just to point out... you are starting to use exactly the same techniques as the most despised member of this site. This is something Z does all the time when a post makes him uncomfortable. He cuts and pastes.

You've also started to use the bizarre image post when you feel threatened - another Z riff.

This is a disturbing development.

batgirl, you're a bit of a joke here but you aren't in his league and you shouldn't demean yourself by using his techniques.
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you are the one that lies and can't back it up. lol @ "aren't in his league"..... awwwwwwww you got me there nikki. did i touch a nerve again? hey its friday ... you going out tonight and get rejected again and come home angry??? that was not your best night last week. must have really been hurting huh? too bad Border's doesn't have a live web cam.... now that would be funny !!!!!!!
 
Once again the same argument as Nazi "soldiers" gave.

Just following orders...

Quote from OldTrader:

Evidently the whole essence of the military continues to elude you.

Of course, "Soldiers are simply not trained and/or indoctrinated to question orders from superiors...". I mean, you would think this would be self-evident.

Let's imagine the situation that evidently you prefer. We have a bunch of independent minded, questioning members of the military. An order is given to "take that hill". And immediately, half of the company starts to question this order as insane, because the enemy is heavily fortified, and a high number of soldiers will be lost.

In other words, you can't run the military with independent minded, questioning, troops. Soldiers have to be trained to accept an order and perform the order in accordance with their training. Without question.

The military relies on those giving the orders to issue orders that make sense, all the way up the chain of command. And of course, the higher one gets, the more "independent-minded" one may become.

But at the "grunt" end, the military must require soldiers who perform their job when given an order. That's what they're trained to do. Without this, the military would lose it's effectiveness.

At the soldier level, or in fact, the level of a 1st Lieutenant, it would be completely inappropriate to question Bush. Imagine, an order given to "take that hill".....and a number of soldiers say no, we're not going to take the hill because Bush is conducting an illegal war. LOL.

One wonders what qualifies this soldier to make a legal decision of this type, without legal training. One wonders how you conduct a war when you give latitude to its participants to make decisions they are not qualified to make, for any reason they may decide to make them.

Our system works with checks and balances. Executive authority is checked and balanced by judicial and congressional authority. Those are the places where the legality of war question should be addressed. Not by soldiers on a battlefield.

OldTrader
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Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz:

Once again the same argument as Nazi "soldiers" gave.

Just following orders...
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I see you have given the same non-argument, rather than to address any of the issues mentioned. Perhaps this just an argument technique. I'll take it as such.

But do yourself a favor sometime. Review the Nuremberg trials. Take a look at how many "soldiers" were involved in them. The Nuremberg trials are not an argument or excuse for disobeying virtually any order. We have decades of case law that say other.

OldTrader
 
Quote from ratboy88:

"aren't in his league"..... awwwwwwww you got me there nikki. did i touch a nerve again?
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Wow.... you are just as stupid as a post, aren't you? You can't parse meaning from the simplest statements. I meant that you're not as bad as he is, and this is obvious when the statement is taken in context.

Re: last Friday... I noticed that the mods took down that garbage you posted. I guess I was right to show you my disgust...

How does it feel to be wrong almost all the time?
 
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