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An American Hero
- Thread starter Kicking
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Quote from flytiger:
Come on. Lighten up. You make all sorts of claims with no backing; you couldn't turn a paper in college to the Prof like that. Other people have points of views also, but your anger overwhelms any postitive points you have.
lighten up he says? ummmmm.... no chance when innocent civilians are being slaughtered for lies.
Quote from flytiger:
There are things I know about the markets that would curl your hair. You think you know, I know. But I can't just go say, "so and so is a crook" w/o posting proof. I'm not willing to do that - yet. It's coming. And we worked hard. But we can't endanger it just to vent.
lol.. he says "yet." .........you don't know what i know. your information wouldn't "curl my hair." to the contrary, think back... did i not immediately support you on the illegal naked shorting claims? you have no idea what my experience is in the markets.
and i don't call people crooks lightly. i know these things to be true and i have backed it up multiple times. and i am not afraid of anyone coming after me. as your boy said, "bring it on."
Quote from flytiger:
"they knew", as evidenced by? "they're nazis" because in August of 2004.............. Then let people make their minds up. You're a very angry man. Curb it, and let your knowledge and intelligence come out. I'd like to hear what you say, but you're shouting in my ear.
Discussion, not percussion please. You're too smart to post like this..
i tried that once and the result was war and death and little babies having their full bodies covered with burns for life.. if they were lucky they didnt have their limbs shredded off. sorry, i am not Gandhi, we are past that point. if you think casual protest are going to change things then have at, it but i have seen how poorly that works.
Quote from flytiger:
You're a very angry man. Curb it, and let your knowledge and intelligence come out. I'd like to hear what you say, but you're shouting in my ear.
Discussion, not percussion please. You're too smart to post like this..
spare me your sermons, i have seen you become irate on the ostk ceo thread. what saddens me most is you still don't have a clue what you are up against due to your dogma that is evidenced by this thread. good luck, you are going to need it. they are going to wear your ass out through court hearings and false promises and then one day a fake terrorist event is going to tank the markets and they will use that as a double cover. 1. to cover their footprints 2. to cover their illegal shorts if they even have to at that time.
dude, wake the F' up..... the illegal shorts is nothing compared to the war machine and the criminal politicians that perpetuate it. i was a republican a longgggggggggggg time ago, but i was fortunate enough to figure out they were crooks too. this doesn't mean i stopped being a conservative. trust me, from your stance i am obviously more conservative than you and the neocon administration.
Quote from OldTrader:
I've seen guys in the past who thought they were unafraid, but once they saw what was involved in war, they could not deal with it. We had a guy in our unit through training, who was with us for a year or so...then suddenly went AWOL and we heard he went to Canada. As you know, our unit was entirely voluntary, so the guy volunteered, then discovered something that made him go AWOL.
Saw the same thing when I arrived in Viet Nam...anther guy who I had been through training with, who balked within a week of arriving in country...at the SFOB in Nha Trang. So it happens.
As I said before, I think this guy reached a point where he found out enough information that he had a change of heart.
You know, it isn't as though everyone doesn't have feelings of fear. The question really is how you deal with it.
OldTrader
I do know what you mean. And I know that feeling of fear when you hear that round zing/crackle past your head. The reason I asked that question is that it is far too common these days to enlist with the idea of free education. They don't consider that you might have to go to war and earn that free education. It is kind of like the criminal that gets thrown in prison and then decides to be a Christian just so he can get out and rape, rob and kill some more.
Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz:
So if I read you right, you are just guessing what was in this guys heart, gut, and mind, right?
LOL! And what are you "guessing"? That after several years in the military, and after he got orders for Iraq, that he suddenly figured out that the war is "unconstitutional" and "criminal"? LOL! LOL! LOL!
OldTrader
Are you denying that you are just guessing his motives?
What I am saying is that it is possible that he is heroic, where you are stating that it it is not possible, for 2 reasons:
1. That you believe his motive is cowardice.
2. That you believe the war is legal and moral.
Both beliefs...which you are entitled to, but leaves no real room for discussion, just like the dude that says "we are fighting the armies of Satan."
Just no point in argument with dogmatic fundamentalists...
The British considered the war and uprising by the Colonists illegal and immoral, and did not consider any of those who stood up to King George a hero.
Say a soldier is afraid of dying or being injured and begins to run away from the battle, abandoning his fellow soldiers on the front line. You would consider him a coward based on previous statements in this thread.
In running away, he trips, falls on a live grenade, and saves the lives of several soldiers in the immediate area.
He is given a medal of heroism...
So was he a hero because his actions saved lives of others, and he died in the process?
It is your black and white dogmatic expressions that I believe is the enemy this country faces...
This government and military is corrupt, as evidenced by the Jessica Lynch BS and the way they used Pat Tillman to promote recruiting and jingoism.
Fraudulent behavior...which when people spoke up and criticized the military, typical neocon responses toward those who stood up and said it was bullcrap was "Love America the way it is or leave it." Such crap.
From what I have read of you, the military indoctrination and training seems to have eliminated all instances of critical thinking in your view of this situation...
Why the military thinks it is above criticism, or that the presidency is above criticism, is extremely dangerous when supported by the brain dead flag waving masses...
What I am saying is that it is possible that he is heroic, where you are stating that it it is not possible, for 2 reasons:
1. That you believe his motive is cowardice.
2. That you believe the war is legal and moral.
Both beliefs...which you are entitled to, but leaves no real room for discussion, just like the dude that says "we are fighting the armies of Satan."
Just no point in argument with dogmatic fundamentalists...
The British considered the war and uprising by the Colonists illegal and immoral, and did not consider any of those who stood up to King George a hero.
Say a soldier is afraid of dying or being injured and begins to run away from the battle, abandoning his fellow soldiers on the front line. You would consider him a coward based on previous statements in this thread.
In running away, he trips, falls on a live grenade, and saves the lives of several soldiers in the immediate area.
He is given a medal of heroism...
So was he a hero because his actions saved lives of others, and he died in the process?
It is your black and white dogmatic expressions that I believe is the enemy this country faces...
This government and military is corrupt, as evidenced by the Jessica Lynch BS and the way they used Pat Tillman to promote recruiting and jingoism.
Fraudulent behavior...which when people spoke up and criticized the military, typical neocon responses toward those who stood up and said it was bullcrap was "Love America the way it is or leave it." Such crap.
From what I have read of you, the military indoctrination and training seems to have eliminated all instances of critical thinking in your view of this situation...
Why the military thinks it is above criticism, or that the presidency is above criticism, is extremely dangerous when supported by the brain dead flag waving masses...
Quote from OldTrader:
LOL! And what are you "guessing"? That after several years in the military, and after he got orders for Iraq, that he suddenly figured out that the war is "unconstitutional" and "criminal"? LOL! LOL! LOL!
OldTrader