Someone else who has used ESignal as long as I have remembered that in earlier versions you used to be able to save an individual chart as a file so you could later replicate it. (They also used to have tabbed pages long ago, like ther "new" version.) Anyway, on the theory that 11 may eventually be robust and efficient I started a page with all of my position trades(14) and investments (4) on it, as well as other things like interest rates (3), the indices (4), and oil. That's 27 charts. You get it. I have to create 27 charts. And even though when you create a chart it remembers the time frame of the one you last created, it doesn't remember all of the properties, even those set as defaults in "Format Object.".
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Also it is extremely annoying not to be able to maximize/restore or minimize with a single click as in 10.6. Another case where they don't realize how precious a trader's time resources are. What do they think we do all day? Post on ET?
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We'd recommend that current subscribers continue to use 10.6 while we continue to port existing functionality over to the 11 series (like style templates, bar replay, etc.).
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Thanks.
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We'd recommend that current subscribers continue to use 10.6 while we continue to port existing functionality over to the 11 series (like style templates, bar replay, etc.).
Thanks.
Thank you kindly for the excellent advice. I will keep posting in case anyone forgot what that functionality is.
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You are quite welcome. But while you were laughing I was crying. My vaunted system told me not to short this morning.
Your observation about Notepad wrapping reminded me that in 11 they call Windows Explorer when you want to retrieve or save a script. I like the open/save in 10.6 much better, where it gives you a vertical list to scroll down.
Your analysis of price vice functionality is spot on. Charging too much for too little.
I am sorry you told me you are former prop. My talking to you reminds me of an anecdote about George Gershwin and Maurice Ravel. Gershwin wanted to become a more "serious" composer, so he went to France to ask Ravel to take him on as a student. Ravel was confused because he much admired Gershwin's jazzy compositions, and had experimented with that style himself. Ravel asked Gershwin, "How much money are you making?" When Gershwin told him he reportedly sputtered "You should be teaching me!" So if you want any more advice from me, well, you can afford to pay for it.
Same here, no short signal: all but one of my stars aligned. Yes, I agree with the script saving: another bit of basic common sense (yet the need to put an encrypt button there, as if we need to encrypt on every iteration). Not even sure how to adjust my file structure now.
Ah haha, let me disabuse you of your notion of prop trading. The vast majority of prop firms before 2008 were the favelas of the institutional world. A few of the ones that survived have improved operations due to regulatory pressure, but it was definitely an environment where the bandits made off. I was grossing just mid 6 figures and that majority of my profits were gamed out of me by subLLC crooks and interesting accounting by the firm. Imagine profitably trading 200k shares a day paying an average of .01 - .03 a share (base cost < .002), all the while being told to "try a little harder". I've gotten intestinal parasites in SE Asia I liked more than those people. Unless you're doing HFT, retail is ultimately where most people should be at this stage of technology.
Also, my previous conclusion about variable = eval(xyz) was incorrect -- my hypothesis now is that functions don't seem to accept passed arrays as parameters in the same way, as opposed to simple boolean or number values. This is probably not the thread to be pulling my hair out drawing incorrect conclusions, as opposed to eSignal's BB. Nonetheless, this process is frustrating, and I must unburden my bowels somewhere.
I'm sure given given time and cost constraints the developers started with an absolute minimum of features that they thought would make the platform usable.Quote from USAtrader:Quote from LeeD:
They probably wrote V11 from scratch instead of bootstrappingt V10 code. Hence missing functionality and lots of bugs.
I'm sure that is the case, however you can be certain they reviewed every single feature to see what to program into V11, and decided that this was not worth carrying into 11.
It takes years to iron out the most annoying bugs (such as those that result in crashes) and accumulate nice-to-have features in a complex piece of software. That's the reason a new version is rarely created completely from scratch. Even Microsoft with their mutibillion development budget reportedly uses code from Internet Explore 3 (which is over 15 years old) in their IE8.
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It takes years to iron out the most annoying bugs (such as those that result in crashes) and accumulate nice-to-have features in a complex piece of software. That's the reason a new version is rarely created completely from scratch. Even Microsoft with their mutibillion development budget reportedly uses code from Internet Explore 3 (which is over 15 years old) in their IE8.
You are completely right, of course. This is a fair expectation.
I and probably others critique only because I ultimately like the product and want to continue using it. It also appears that now is the time to evaluate other options simultaneously, now that more reasonably priced competitors apparently offer the same or superior functionality.
Isn't this fun being an alpha tester? I accidentally dragged a chart off of the screen, and it crashed. Also, when both 10.6 and 11 are up, and I open IB's TWS, I get a connection request only for 10.6. So I kill 11 and reopen it. I get a connection request, but no data appears on the charts for my portfolio. That 11/10.6 functionality matrix needs to be redone. The broker may be plugged in, but he got nuthin to say. In all fairness, communicating the position data doesn't always work in 10.6 now. And when I go to use account manager, it says IB isn't connected. Oh! Now I see why. When I go into 11's broker manager, it says IB wouldn't connect me because I am already connected summers else (that would be in 10.6). But I can use 10.6 and 11 side-by-ass for evaluation purposes, yes?
I forgot to mention why their using Windows Explorer to open files is a major PIA: there is no "Most Recent " pane so you can quickly retrieve the one of the seven files you worked on last. Hey, my time is cheap, yes? They don't need to make it easy orr fast for me to use 11. That was an undesirable property of 10.6.
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Same here, no short signal: all but one of my stars aligned. Yes, I agree with the script saving: another bit of basic common sense (yet the need to put an encrypt button there, as if we need to encrypt on every iteration). Not even sure how to adjust my file structure now.
Ah haha, let me disabuse you of your notion of prop trading. The vast majority of prop firms before 2008 were the favelas of the institutional world. A few of the ones that survived have improved operations due to regulatory pressure, but it was definitely an environment where the bandits made off. I was grossing just mid 6 figures and that majority of my profits were gamed out of me by subLLC crooks and interesting accounting by the firm. Imagine profitably trading 200k shares a day paying an average of .01 - .03 a share (base cost < .002), all the while being told to "try a little harder". I've gotten intestinal parasites in SE Asia I liked more than those people. Unless you're doing HFT, retail is ultimately where most people should be at this stage of technology.
Also, my previous conclusion about variable = eval(xyz) was incorrect -- my hypothesis now is that functions don't seem to accept passed arrays as parameters in the same way, as opposed to simple boolean or number values. This is probably not the thread to be pulling my hair out drawing incorrect conclusions, as opposed to eSignal's BB. Nonetheless, this process is frustrating, and I must unburden my bowels somewhere.
Sorry, can't help you with the passed arrays thing, never tried it. Never been up anybody's ass before, either, except for an old girlfriend who sat on me one night when I was dead drunk, just so I wouldn't be able to brag any more. But now that I think about it, 11 does remind me of the East Indian Bugger Basket, with me in the basket.
Thanks for sharing your prop experiences. That's a lot of money to make not to keep much of it. Too bad it's buried down here where few will see it.