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Arthur Deco · Jan 16, 2011

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I imagine you click and expand all of those compressed studies in order to read them. If so, you might find the Stacked Studies' feature useful. It's in the 'Chart ' menu. You can have all of your studies tabbed at the bottom of your charts.

Sorry I wasn't clear. They are mostly "helpers" conveying no more information than "you should be long" or "you should be short" or "Jack jumped over the candlestick" or "This system just triggered long while you're in a short." I need to be able to assess them simultaneously at a glance.

BTW, thanks for dialogueing with me. I am a lonely old man with nothing better to do of a cold winter's night than rant and rave about how much time they are going to cost me to convert, and whether or not that same time would be better invested converting to NinjaTrader. My trading screen has essentailly been stable for a couple of years, so long that I can't even remember why I do it that way. Kind of like, "Why did I get married? Remind me?" So I don't want to think, I just want to trade.

learner2007 · Jan 16, 2011

Also, using detached windows and hiding all or some of those title bars will save you a lot of space.

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The attached file is a rough comparison of the way my screen looks in 10.6 (top) vs. in 11 (bottom). The two look different in some respects because the 10.6 represents intraday data and the 11 was loaded on the weekend. It may not look like much difference to you, but to me 11 is wasteful of screen space. Study heights cannot be compressed as much. There is wasted space around the border. You can't pull a pane off to the side without triggering the space-wasting scroll bars. Price scaling doesn't save. Minimized panes take more vertical space. Some EFS statements don't work. Just as a WAG I think I am losing about 10% usable screen area in 11. Can I live with that? I may not, now that my aggravation has motivated me to look at NinjaTrader. I see a REAL backtesting platform there with the ability to automate the backtesting. And the ability to automate trading.

Arthur Deco · Jan 16, 2011

Quote from learner2007:

Also, using detached windows and hiding all or some of those title bars will save you a lot of space.

Yes, thanks. I do hide a title bar on my 10.6, good suggestion. But what is a detached window? Is that like a detached retina?

learner2007 · Jan 16, 2011

Click on the box to the left of the X on the chart. A menu will open the will let you set the chart outside of the Main Window.

Quote from Arthur Deco:

Yes, thanks. I do hide a title bar on my 10.6, good suggestion. But what is a detached window? Is that like a detached retina?

Arthur Deco · Jan 16, 2011

Quote from learner2007:

Click on the box to the left of the X on the chart. A menu will open the will let you set the chart outside of the Main Window.

Ah, yes, very cleaver, just like in 10.6. I am beginning to get the distinct impression that you are smarter than I am. A common experience for me. Almost everybody is. But don't get cocky. It may just be because you are younger.

OK, I am digging deep for kvetches here. This one is a gnit (that's even smaller than a nit). In 10.6 when I resize the formula output window, the contents wrap. Not so in 11. I have to scroll waaaaaaay over to the right to find out why 11 doesn't handle efs statements from 10.6.

I plan on putting 11 through its paces Montag (that's lundi for you frog Quebecois). I don't trade short days, but neither as rascist white trash can I take off MLK day. So we'll see how well it handles scripts on a one-second chart. I already know it can't handle extended data on the one day.

learner2007 · Jan 16, 2011

Maybe, maybe not. But I'm no spring chicken.

When you test it keep it mind that it is still far from complete. So the chances are you'll find a lot that isn't enabled yet or that isn't polished. I would call it the bare bones version. But I'm sure that once complete you will then rate Ninja Trader as a toy when compared to 11.

Quote from Arthur Deco:

Ah, yes, very cleaver, just like in 10.6. I am beginning to get the distinct impression that you are smarter than I am. A common experience for me. Almost everybody is. But don't get cocky. It may just be because you are younger.

OK, I am digging deep for kvetches here. This one is a gnit (that's even smaller than a nit). In 10.6 when I resize the formula output window, the contents wrap. Not so in 11. I have to scroll waaaaaaay over to the right to find out why 11 doesn't handle efs statements from 10.6.

I plan on putting 11 through its paces Montag (that's lundi for you frog Quebecois). I don't trade short days, but neither as rascist white trash can I take off MLK day. So we'll see how well it handles scripts on a one-second chart. I already know it can't handle extended data on the one day.

Arthur Deco · Jan 16, 2011

Quote from learner2007:

Maybe, maybe not. But I'm no spring chicken.

When you test it keep it mind that it is still far from complete. So the chances are you'll find a lot that isn't enabled yet or that isn't polished. I would call it the bare bones version. But I'm sure that once complete you will then rate Ninja Trader as a toy when compared to 11.

Thanks again. I plan to run tests on backtest speed, say 600 days of one-minute data. I can't say about the Ninja, but if I understand the current version correctly I can set a BT range, say of stop loss values, and have it run through them all. And I can set a range of stop loss and a range of profit targets, and it will optimize for the best combo-nation using a genetic algoraggem. And it autotrades NOW. If that's a toy, then it's a sex toy. And it will cost me $43 less a month. Of course I am filthy rich from trading, but nonetheless that is a month's subscription to a porno site or two boxes of ammo.

learner2007 · Jan 16, 2011

In any event I would wait for a few more releases before drawing any concrete conclusions as to its value to you in trading.

Good trading to you.

Quote from Arthur Deco:

Thanks again. I plan to run tests on backtest speed, say 600 days of one-minute data. I can't say about the Ninja, but if I understand the current version correctly I can set a BT range, say of stop loss values, and have it run through them all. And I can set a range of stop loss and a range of profit targets, and it will optimize for the best combo-nation using a genetic algoraggem. And it autotrades NOW. If that's a toy, then it's a sex toy. And it will cost me $43 less a month. Of course I am filthy rich from trading, but nonetheless that is a month's subscription to a porno site or two boxes of ammo.

Arthur Deco · Jan 16, 2011

Quote from learner2007:

In any event I would wait for a few more releases before drawing any concrete conclusions as to its value to you in trading.

Good trading to you.

Thank you kindly for your advice. I have my complete current 10.6 screen replicated in 11 and look forward eagerly to discovering every way it doesn't work the way I need it to. At this point the only thing keeping me from jumping ship is the mind-agonizing prospect of converting to NinjaTrader thousands of lines of operating scripts and tens of thousands of lines of utility and historical codes.

Arthur Deco · Jan 16, 2011

When I was a kid a high school buddy of mine who had a convertible used to cruise with his friends with the top down. If they saw a pretty girl walking, they'd pull up beside her and smile. The driver would say to a passenger, "Don't be a jerk! Say something nice to the girl!" The stock reply was "OK. Hi, cunt!"

So I am going to say some nice things.

The time template in 10.6 was more incomprehensible than my first wife. The template in 11 is like my second wife. A sweetheart.

The time scale compression in 11 allows me to take a one-minute chart over 120 days and compress it to fill the entire screen, which has numbrous advantages in backtesting.