America's public servants are now its masters

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Did you people ever hear of the Hatch Act.

Government employee cannot participate in politics and cannot strike. In return they receive benefits which also severely restricts their top salaries.

In return they receive job security in accordance to the rules of the Civil Service Commission, as well as cost of living raises (which of course Ronald Asshole Reagan decided to ignore and got away with it. See traffic controller strike.

Of course if you are closed minded, you really aren't interested in this information about government service.:D
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They're also:

a) Nearly impossible to fire, especially if they've been in Fed services after a few years

b) Incredibly underemployed, lazy or just plain incompetent. Some of them, that is. I've worked with enough to know that a few good workers usually carry the load while others get very little work done. I have a friend at the VA who says hardly anyone does more than an hour of actual work each day. In the military, "civil service" was a joke. You were lucky to find one in 10 that did an honest day's work in most locations.

c) Able to retire at very early ages. And some then double-dip. This is even worse at the state level than the Federal.

I've heard some say "yeah, but you can find lazy, incompetent people in both the public and private sectors." True, but in the private sector they don't get the incredible benefit packages, early retirements and nearly iron-clad job security...not even close! The only exceptions are heavily unionized private sector jobs and those who play the discrimination/harassment card repeatedly and get away with it.

Speaking of unions, I won't even get into public sector unions...the worst and responsible for most of this mess!
 
On top of this, Kileen, TX (Ft. Hood area) is now richer per capita than Austin. That's insane, especially since Austin has a bunch of overcompensated profs and staffs at UT to go along with all the high tech companies.

We're either near the end or something is going to have to change...
 
One other thing--Alabama recently voted to NOT increase its state workers' insurance premiums by some measly amount (like $10/month or something).

Again, almost everyone in the private sector is cutting back (especially with Health Scare, Dodd-Fag, and maybe even Tax-n-Trade upon us) and the public sector can't even pay a few extra bucks for massively-subsidized insurance?!
 
a) Nearly impossible to fire, especially if they've been in Fed services after a few years.
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Wrong. You can fire anyone if there is just cause or if there is a reduction in force.

There are plenty of incompetent military men as well and they breed most of the incompetent civil servants at high levels in DOD.

They come into a field station and start running a job that they know nothing about.

Sometimes, they pick a technical director. He's usually incompetent and all his friends are. So the TD promotes them to department heads and down the line to the lowest levels of management.

Back in the 80's, Reagan (?) picked the top Navy admiral, who had never gone to college.

Well that wasn't as bad as the fact that he was wearing medals for heroism
which he never earned. Then he got caught and committed suicide.

DOD had made a decision to make technicians into lab directors. Several technicians where I worked were given GED's and then allowed to take
public administration courses and promoted to department head jobs.
These positions require an act of congress.

The same shenanigans took place in Army field stations.

That's another reason that I retired early.
 
I was a top of the grade gm-14 making just $54,000 as an aeronautical engineer.
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GS 14 is top? I thought SES 5 was top?

And yes, not all governmental workers are paid top dollar. But they have job security most of the time...even if they fuck up.

Of course, OBAMA is about to lay off a boat load of the civil services.

I can't really say much as my Parents retired, GS 15 and a SES 4 which is Congressional Grade for pay. They have a great retirement and they gave 30 plus years of hard work to the US civil Service.

But even my parents, who enjoy an easy 300k combined in retirement a year, admit that many Civil Services personal were lazy, not worth shit and should not have been able to retire at full pay grade or even 80%. HR could never get rid of slackers, many who were anti-Regan or Anti-Republican...as they were typical liberal socialist scumbags. Firing the incompitent bastards was harder than driving your car to the moon.

So, no sympath for the CIVIL SERIVICES from me.

And man you must be proud to have worked for NASA. Your "X" employer's motto is "LETS MAKE THE MUSLIMS FEEL GOOD ABOUT THEMSELVES". Sounds like NASA is a winner to me.
I say disban the damn program and let the private sector take over. IDIOTS!
 
Quote from hoodooman:

a) Nearly impossible to fire, especially if they've been in Fed services after a few years.
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Wrong. You can fire anyone if there is just cause or if there is a reduction in force.
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Absolutely wrong. It depends on the agency, but in most places it's VERY hard to fire Fed workers after they've been in place 3 years or so. I know from experience. At worst, they get sent to irrelevant "admin" jobs where they keep their pay grade and get paid for almost nothing on the taxpayer's dime until they retire...and continue to get paid by the poor taxpayer.

Perhaps you were a Fed when there was at least some modicum of accountability. Not now..especially on Obama's plantation.
 
I thought SES 5 was top?
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Funny you don't know much about civil service do you.
I said top of the grade.

Moreover, every gm-11 that I ever met lied and said they were ses.
 
Wrong. You can fire anyone if there is just cause or if there is a reduction in force.;
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Wrong. My mom was one of the top HR personal in DECA. She couldn't remove a damn employee with a 20 year track record of fucking up. Maybe in NASA where the whole program has gone to shit, they may fire for just cause.

She had a team of lawyers working for her and in her 30 years, only was able to remove 1 from their job. Of course that person tried to sue my mom in Civil Court and the Agencie, but he lost.

I will give you this. Right now, they are firing faster than ever before because MR OBAMA is in deep shit with the budget and has no choice but to cut.
 
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Funny you don't know much about civil service do you.
I said top of the grade.

Moreover, every gm-11 that I ever met lied and said they were ses. [/B]
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You made $54K as a G-whatever 14? Look up a modern pay scale. It's doubled since then. We're talking total apples and oranges. Unions probably didn't dominate the scene back then either. Unions and public employees don't even belong in the same sentence, BTW.
 
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