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Americans' tax burden is lightest in developed world
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Quote from Maverick74:
I am amazed at how few Americans actually understand our tax system. The revolt on the right has nothing to do the "aggregate amount of taxes paid in the US". It has to do with wealth distribution.
Here is something to chew on, 40% of Americans pay zero federal taxes. That's right...zero. The rich in this country also pay close to nothing in taxes. It's the middle class that gets f*cked. Take from the middle to give to the poor and bailout the rich. That is where the outrage is.
If you live in Norway, Sweden or France, I've got news for you, you are paying taxes. Even if you make 10k a year, you are paying a lot in taxes. In this country, if you make under 35k or so, you will pay nothing in taxes. That is not the case in this northern european countries.
In fact, in this country, not only does the poor not pay taxes, most of them actually get money back that was never theirs to begin with, thanks to the earned income tax credit. That is outright theft. Again, stealing from the middle class and actually giving cash back to the poor.
If we had a fair tax system in this country, the poor would not get money back, in fact, they would have to pay their fair share as well, as well as the middle class and the rich. That is how Europe does it. Here in the US, only the middle class pays taxes.
That is why you are seeing tea parties across the country. That is where the outrage is. Bailout Goldman, bill it to the middle class. Bailout corporate America, bill it to the middle class. Start a war, bill it to the middle class. Waste trillions in useless social programs that never work, bill it to the middle class.
And guess what happened to the middle class folks? It's gone. We killed it. We now call them the lower milddle and guess what...we're still sending them the bill.
Wake up America!!!
http://www.taxfoundation.org/research/show/1410.html
Right ON!
Compared to the 19th century, American and Europe are horrifically overtaxed. Growth rates were also far higher back then. Crime was much lower.
Maybe it's coincidence but it should be looked at further, they may be a lesson for governments and electorates everywhere.
Maybe it's coincidence but it should be looked at further, they may be a lesson for governments and electorates everywhere.
By the way, there are several Europeans countries with tax rates of below 20%. E.g. Russia has 13% income tax, Romania and Bulgaria are around 15%, Slovakia and Czech Republic have mid-teen flat taxes, Montenegro has I think a 9% flat tax. Jersey and Isle of Man have 20% income tax IIRC. Monaco has 0% income tax. Dubai also has 0% income tax. Hong Kong and Singapore are around 20%ish.
Some countries in Europe also do not tax foreign-source income or capital gains. Meaning you can live there and only pay money on what you earn in the country. Your IB account in the USA - tax free.
So no, America is not the lightest taxed country in the developed world.
Some countries in Europe also do not tax foreign-source income or capital gains. Meaning you can live there and only pay money on what you earn in the country. Your IB account in the USA - tax free.
So no, America is not the lightest taxed country in the developed world.
Quote from DT-waw:
what is the main purpose of taxes?
- to keep the monetary and banking system alive by pumping up the prices of everything. especially fuel prices.
all things need to be transported. without taxes on oil, the price of virtually every good and service immediately goes down 30-60%...
Do you enjoy driving on paved roads? Want protection from terrorists?
Minimal taxes are necessary.
Tax rate comparisons are meaningless to ordinary citizens.
It is difficult to compare without considering the government services provided by each venue.
Don't forget to throw in the rate of inflation.
Don't forget the rate of growth of government services.
Don't forget to consider the rate of change of growth of government workers.
Don't forget to consider whether the growth of services are useful to the populace.
Don't forget to compare the government infringement on the citizens freedom.
Don't forget that you are using government figures to compare.
Don't forget..... Ah shit forget it;
It is difficult to compare without considering the government services provided by each venue.
Don't forget to throw in the rate of inflation.
Don't forget the rate of growth of government services.
Don't forget to consider the rate of change of growth of government workers.
Don't forget to consider whether the growth of services are useful to the populace.
Don't forget to compare the government infringement on the citizens freedom.
Don't forget that you are using government figures to compare.
Don't forget..... Ah shit forget it;
Quote from heypa:
Tax rate comparisons are meaningless to ordinary citizens.
It is difficult to compare without considering the government services provided by each venue.
Don't forget to throw in the rate of inflation.
Don't forget the rate of growth of government services.
Don't forget to consider the rate of change of growth of government workers.
Don't forget to consider whether the growth of services are useful to the populace.
Don't forget to compare the government infringement on the citizens freedom.
Don't forget that you are using government figures to compare.
Don't forget..... Ah shit forget it;
And forget all the less visible FEES - here in California, you cannot buy a computer screen with a disposal fee - this is in addition to the sales tax.
Even if you want to work as an unarmed minimum wage security guard, you have to pay the state a fee for the guard card!
Quote from Ghost of Cutten:
By the way, there are several Europeans countries with tax rates of below 20%. E.g. Russia has 13% income tax, Romania and Bulgaria are around 15%, Slovakia and Czech Republic have mid-teen flat taxes, Montenegro has I think a 9% flat tax. Jersey and Isle of Man have 20% income tax IIRC. Monaco has 0% income tax. Dubai also has 0% income tax. Hong Kong and Singapore are around 20%ish.
it didn't say "income tax", but "tax burden", and these country choices are either mostly eastern european, tiny tax havens, city states, etc.
Some countries in Europe also do not tax foreign-source income or capital gains. Meaning you can live there and only pay money on what you earn in the country. Your IB account in the USA - tax free.
i don't think that had anything to do with the topic
However, the tax burdens of most countries are still ridiculous. They spend and borrow like drunken sailors.
By the way, there are several Europeans countries with tax rates of below 20%. E.g. Russia has 13% income tax, Romania and Bulgaria are around 15%, Slovakia and Czech Republic have mid-teen flat taxes, Montenegro has I think a 9% flat tax. Jersey and Isle of Man have 20% income tax IIRC. Monaco has 0% income tax. Dubai also has 0% income tax. Hong Kong and Singapore are around 20%ish.
it didn't say "income tax", but "tax burden", and these country choices are either mostly eastern european, tiny tax havens, city states, etc.
Some countries in Europe also do not tax foreign-source income or capital gains. Meaning you can live there and only pay money on what you earn in the country. Your IB account in the USA - tax free.
i don't think that had anything to do with the topic
However, the tax burdens of most countries are still ridiculous. They spend and borrow like drunken sailors.