American student beaten up by Muslim patrol in London for daring to drink alcohol

[Martinghoul]

Quote from AAAintheBeltway:
I don't follow UK domestic news, but my sense of it is that there is a strong national consensus that condemns what is termed white racialism, whether it is skinhead violence or xenophobic appeals. I simply do not believe the same attitude exists with respect to islamist extremism.

What we see with muslims in many countries is that only a small percentage are acutal violent radicals, but a significant percentage are either sympathetic to them or support them financially and in other ways. There are areas in Britian, in London as you very well know, that it would be totally unsafe to carry out "protected speech" if that speech was seen as anti-muslim. Once that is allowed ot happen, vigilantism is the obvious next step, a step which apparently is well beyond its infancy in the UK.

No doubt politicians condemend th eblatant butchery of an innocent British soldier in braod daylight in London. What would one have expected, for them to defend the outrage? But what about concrete action to prevent the same thing happening again?

When your authorities allow muslim only enclaves to be established, areas where non-mulsims are not welcome or safe and where street justice is applied, they have begun turning your country into anarchy. You can say we have the same situtation in this countrywith black gangs, and I wouldn't disagree, except that they are only tolerated in areas with liberal democrat governing bodies. Outside their urban hellholes, they are seen as totally unacceptable and their presence would be met with uncompromising police force.

Well, with all due respect, AAA... If you don't follow domestic UK news, how can you form an adequate judgement on the matters that you're offering opinions on?

You may (or may not) want to take my word for it, but I can only repeat what I said previously. You are mistaken.

 

[Martinghoul]

Quote from Grandluxe:
Londoners Sign Muslim Petition to Mutilate Girls Because “It’s Their Culture”
October 28, 2013 By Daniel Greenfield

http://frontpagemag.com/2013/dgreen...tilate-young-girls-because-its-their-culture/

A Londoner who suffered female genital mutilation has warned that political correctness is hampering the fight to stamp it out after asking people to sign a fake petition in its favour.

Leyla Hussein, 32, said many were scared to speak out against FGM because they were worried about criticising another culture.

She decided to conduct an experiment to see “how crazy political correctness has become” but was left in tears by the end.

Approaching shoppers with the petition supporting FGM, she told them she wanted to protect her “culture, traditions and rights”.

In only 30 minutes 19 people signed it with some saying they believed FGM was wrong but because it was part of Ms Hussein’s culture they would add their names. Only one person refused to sign.

Ms Hussein, who was cut when she was seven in Somalia, said: “Four women held me down and cut my clitoris. I felt every single cut. I was screaming so much I just blacked out.”

I would sign this petition. While I understand the subject is controversial, I don't really see why I should be telling other people that their customs, no matter how barbaric in my subjective view, are wrong.

 

[PiggyBank]

Quote from Martinghoul:

I would sign this petition. While I understand the subject is controversial, I don't really see why I should be telling other people that their customs, no matter how barbaric in my subjective view, are wrong.

whoa. the article doesn't mention it but you wouldn't sign that if it was to protect that practice in your own country, right?

I agree that what they do in bumfuckistan is no one's business except bumfuckistanis, but what they do once they immigrate to another nation, like the UK, is subject to your laws.

 

[AAAintheBeltway]

Quote from Martinghoul:

I would sign this petition. While I understand the subject is controversial, I don't really see why I should be telling other people that their customs, no matter how barbaric in my subjective view, are wrong.

Thanks for making my point. I guess you also support slavery, after all, it was a custom of other people. Who are you to say it was wrong?

 

[Martinghoul]

Quote from PiggyBank:
whoa. the article doesn't mention it but you wouldn't sign that if it was to protect that practice in your own country, right?

I agree that what they do in bumfuckistan is no one's business except bumfuckistanis, but what they do once they immigrate to another nation, like the UK, is subject to your laws.

If there is a law in my country against this practice, I would not sign it. If there is no law, I see no reason why I shouldn't. My understanding of the context is that this is about FGM globally, rather than in the UK.

Again, I appreciate that this is a difficult issue, but I really have a problem with the totally subjective nature of these things.

 

[Martinghoul]

Quote from AAAintheBeltway:
Thanks for making my point. I guess you also support slavery, after all, it was a custom of other people. Who are you to say it was wrong?

It's complicated, isn't it? In the case of slavery I would probably have to think long and hard about the specific circumstances.

What if the petition in question was about the support for the "barbaric" American custom of possessing firearms?

 

[Ricter]

Quote from Martinghoul:

It's complicated, isn't it? In the case of slavery I would probably have to think long and hard about the specific circumstances.

What if the petition in question was about the support for the "barbaric" American custom of possessing firearms?

To paraphrase a great American, "we laugh at the customs of old and religiously follow the new."

 

[AAAintheBeltway]

Quote from Martinghoul:

It's complicated, isn't it? In the case of slavery I would probably have to think long and hard about the specific circumstances.

What if the petition in question was about the support for the "barbaric" American custom of possessing firearms?

I assumed you were just having us on. No one could actually be that intoxicated by multiculturalist concepts of moral equivalency.

You can sign all the anti-gun petitions you want. We'll be stocking up on AR's, Glocks, S&W's, tac shotguns and ammo. Good luck with that petition when the SHTF.

 

[Lucrum]

Quote from Martinghoul:

I would sign this petition. While I understand the subject is controversial, I don't really see why I should be telling other people that their customs, no matter how barbaric in my subjective view, are wrong.

So let's say the local UK Muslims wants to cut your head off, what with that being their custom in how they treat infidels and all. You gonna sign that petition too?

 

[Martinghoul]

Quote from AAAintheBeltway:
I assumed you were just having us on. No one could actually be that intoxicated by multiculturalist concepts of moral equivalency.

You can sign all the anti-gun petitions you want. We'll be stocking up on AR's, Glocks, S&W's, tac shotguns and ammo. Good luck with that petition when the SHTF.

Erm, you're confused, AAA... I am on your side in this, but I believe in applying this logic in a consistent fashion.

Specifically, I believe that it's your inalienable and fundamental right as a society to make your own laws and to abide by them. So if the law of your land permits you to stock up on ARs, Glocks etc, I don't think that I should have the right to tell you that it's "wrong" and shouldn't be allowed, regardless of what my personal views on the matter might be. If you apply this logic consistently, I don't see why I should be telling women in Africa (or Jews all over the world, for that matter) that their customs are "barbaric" and should be stopped.

"Moral equivalency and relativism"? Maybe, but it is my considered opinion that much more harm has been done throughout history by "moral absolutism".

And, to be sure, everything that I have been talking about applies to what the "bumfuckistanis" do in "bumfuckistan", to use PiggyBank's terminology.