America spends about twice as much on health care as other rich countries but has the highest infant

Stats like these are useless. You need to look into the living conditions, education, earnings, etc, of the population that is losing these babies. I can see a scenario where most of the deaths are coming from mothers who put their babies at risk during pregnancy. My guess is the healthcare dollars are not coming from them. BTW, comparing overall healthcare costs to a maternity healthcare population is bogus.
 
Well, US healthcare system and patients effectively subsidize the rest of the world by paying higher drug prices. In effect we subsidize new drug development.
That's what the American Pharmaceutical industry would have us believe. How much does the U.S. Pharmaceutical industry spend on developing new drugs compared to what they spend on advertising? How does that compare with Big Pharma in other developed countries -- Roche, Sanofi, Daiichi Sankyo, Takeda, Astellas, Otsuka, Mitsubishi Tanabe, Bayer, Boehringer Ingelheim, Novo Nordisk, Astra Zeneca, Teva, Allergan, Actavis, etc. etc. etc. Let's not allow ourselves to be suckered.
 
better be in Amerika.
Perhaps, so long as you are not one of the millions uninsured and who don't qualify for either Medicaid or Medicare! But I'm not convinced you'd not be better off, regardless, in almost any other developed country for the vast majority of medical conditions. I live in the U.S.. I have friends, U.S. citizens, that are well off. They fly to Ecuador for non-emergency medical care. I had a wonderful experience with the National healthcare system in Brazil. Saw a specialist directly, wait time 15 minutes, and a tiny fraction of the cost of the same treatment in the U.S. Did not have to go through a G.P. gatekeeper to get an appointment, and no making an appointment weeks or months in advance to see a specialist, as is far too common in the U.S..
 
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Perhaps, so long as you are not one of the millions uninsured and who don't qualify for either Medicaid or Medicare! But I'm not convinced you'd not be better off, regardless, in almost any other developed country for the vast majority of medical conditions. I live in the U.S.. I have friends, U.S. citizens, that are well off. They fly to Ecuador for non-emergency medical care. I had a wonderful experience with the National healthcare system in Brazil. Saw a specialist directly, wait time 15 minutes, and a tiny fraction of the cost of the same treatment in the U.S. Did not have to go through a G.P. gatekeeper to get an appointment, and no making an appointment weeks or months in advance to see a specialist, as is far too common in the U.S..

I do not go through a GP and I do not wait weeks or months for a specialist. I don't know where you get your info.

I agree costs here are higher than they need be, but I would not want healthcare anywhere in the world but here.
 
I agree, no system is perfect. But Germans and Japanese by large majority don't travel abroad to have surgical procedures done (I mean almost none does that). British travel frequently to have medical procedures done in Spain or Holland or France. So do quite a number of Kiwis and Aussies travel for medical stuff. And sure, if you pay enough in America you can get anything. It's all a matter of money there.

I think those differences speak volumes about the quality and affordability of health care in those countries.

Have you had the same surgery in US and elsewhere? Krankenkasse doesn't cover 100% of everything, you will die waiting for the 'special exclusion/inclusion' - you need supplemental insurance for many a treatment there. 50+ thousand Canadians come to US annually for the super expensive treatment, I wonder why. I hear the system in UK is the best of those, but have no personal experience. My wife had to wait for 15 months just to see a specialist for a surgery, then 6 months on a waiting list for Operating Room time in Melbourne, Australia. Instead she flew to US on a Wed, saw the doc on the same week Fri and had the surgery done on the next Tue. A more advanced surgery on top of that. Granted, I had her covered with my policy in advance, and it wasn't a life threatening surgery. When I was leaving Germany, they wouldn't cover your dialysis unless you had a private insurance supplemental policy to Krankenkasse. In the States, every ghetto and welfare bum had it for free with a free taxi ride to the facility and back. Of course, this inflates the RCC (regular and customary charges) for the rest of us. I wonder how many of the propagandists worked in ER and saw the percentages of the bills not paid? Watching the 'youth' walking into ER with their guts out and barely contained by their hands is not a pleasant view. On top of that you know in advance that they 'aint got no money' and may sue you on top of that.
So, all of you, who deals with abstraction levels of the propaganda can take a tour of life and death and get your own experience. Parroting BS doesn't take much effort.

There is no perfect system, we all know it. Yes, you can still get a well educated doctor making house calls on a cheap in Uruguay, but when you have an existential health threat - better be in Amerika.
 
Do you think middle class/income families can afford a 200k surgical procedure in the US? What is the percentage of middle class families that would be fully covered by insurance? Any estimates?

Perhaps, so long as you are not one of the millions uninsured and who don't qualify for either Medicaid or Medicare! But I'm not convinced you'd not be better off, regardless, in almost any other developed country for the vast majority of medical conditions. I live in the U.S.. I have friends, U.S. citizens, that are well off. They fly to Ecuador for non-emergency medical care. I had a wonderful experience with the National healthcare system in Brazil. Saw a specialist directly, wait time 15 minutes, and a tiny fraction of the cost of the same treatment in the U.S. Did not have to go through a G.P. gatekeeper to get an appointment, and no making an appointment weeks or months in advance to see a specialist, as is far too common in the U.S..
 
Perhaps you don't know "anywhere in the world"? It's like saying "I don't eat anything but my mashed potatoes with gravy and steak". As long as you are happy why not, but that does not preclude from the fact that there are numerous other equally or more delicious dishes you would like but don't know about. In any case it's not beneficial to discuss large issues like this on the basis of individual empirical evidence. I had the worst dental procedure (root canal) ever done in my life in the US from a reputable leading dentist who was professor at the dental school of my college back then (should have known better and gone to an outside dental clinic). But that experience has zero bearing on the overall quality of health care in the US. I am sure if one pays top dollars one gets top treatment in US. But otherwise I am pretty sure that treatment quality wise, it gets more difficult to compare countries on the basis of individual experiences.

I do not go through a GP and I do not wait weeks or months for a specialist. I don't know where you get your info.

I agree costs here are higher than they need be, but I would not want healthcare anywhere in the world but here.
 
Perhaps you don't know "anywhere in the world"? It's like saying "I don't eat anything but my mashed potatoes with gravy and steak". As long as you are happy why not, but that does not preclude from the fact that there are numerous other equally or more delicious dishes you would like but don't know about. In any case it's not beneficial to discuss large issues like this on the basis of individual empirical evidence. I had the worst dental procedure (root canal) ever done in my life in the US from a reputable leading dentist who was professor at the dental school of my college back then (should have known better and gone to an outside dental clinic). But that experience has zero bearing on the overall quality of health care in the US. I am sure if one pays top dollars one gets top treatment in US. But otherwise I am pretty sure that treatment quality wise, it gets more difficult to compare countries on the basis of individual experiences.

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