America Is Doooooooooooooooooooooooomed!! Downgrade Tonite!

Quote from KINGOFSHORTS:

you think? The short term notes should hold up as equities are vaporized en masse when margin calls start hitting hard. Cash will at least hit treasuries. where else will it go?

If the choice is a 2 year note or my mattress I don't know which I'd pick...

Wasn't it longer term debt that was downgraded but short term debt was reiterated at AAA?
 
After reading the release,

S&P is the onlyl dowgrade.

Moodys and Fitch held the AAA+ for now.

S&P has fired the first shot at the idiots in DC. If they do not get the hint, we could see Moodys and Fitch Follow.

With that said, it's a split rating which is still atractive to investors.

So, We could see a Knee jerk reaction...however ......I do not think this will do much but put the liberals on notice..that OBAMA is a idiot as are the old guard R.s THE Ds are already retarted and we know that.

So, I doubt we will see much bleeding after a knee jerk move down, could be a great buy for a pop play.
 
Quote from endsongs:


In the case of Carter, he wanted more out of the depts of Energy and Education than what they have become. In fact, the initial goal of the Dept of Energy was to remove America's dependence on imported energy through research, especially research in renewables.

It seems like a lifetime ago. Arch-Republican Nixon himself had the stated goal of eliminating dependency on imported oil.

"Our independence will depend on maintaining and achieving self-sufficiency in energy..."

The goal was to have it done by 1980. Progress was being made.

And then came the Reagan administration with bread and circuses. It is impossible to be both "small government" and "america first" and supportive/appreciative of Reagan's policies.

As that poster you are dismantling illustrates, what American voters claim they want is completely different from what they actually vote for.
 
Quote from Random.Capital:

It seems like a lifetime ago. Arch-Republican Nixon himself had the stated goal of eliminating dependency on imported oil.



The goal was to have it done by 1980. Progress was being made.

And then came the Reagan administration with bread and circuses. It is impossible to be both "small government" and "america first" and supportive/appreciative of Reagan's policies.

As that poster you are dismantling illustrates, what American voters claim they want is completely different from what they actually vote for.

Hey Random. My thoughts exactly. In fact, here is a link to what Carter tried to do with the dept. of Energy.

http://www.energybulletin.net/node/9657
 
Quote from endsongs:

Carter's policies had nothing to do with the economic issues you cite. The price of energy's rise was not his fault. Nothing short of starting a war for no reason in the Middle East, to force prices down, could have stopped that.

In the case of Carter, he wanted more out of the depts of Energy and Education than what they have become. In fact, the initial goal of the Dept of Energy was to remove America's dependence on imported energy through research, especially research in renewables. As you know, the American energy industry has the lowest research investment rate of almost all industries in America now. This was not Carter's vision for this dept...

His intentions with the Federal bureaucies may have been good--aren't they always? However, there was plenty of historical precedent to show top-down centralized planning wouldn't do anything but stifle energy and education. As a result, the Dept of Energy now has 16,000 employees and cost $24 billion a year to run. And our energy problems have only grown worse.

In addition, he was a very bad president according to my inverse gold indicator. The higher the price of gold, the more fear/uncertainty/economic problems are associated with that era. According to it, he, Bush Jr, and Obama have been among the worst. I don't think the indicator is very useful pre-1971 (when we at least had a quasi-gold standard), but it has been since.

Granted, Carter shouldn't get all the blame for the late 70s. Presidents always get too much credit/blame for what goes on in their terms--but he certainly deserves some.
 
S&P 500 to 1000 by fall
Recession ahead
oil prices going to collapse
USD further to tinker into the tanker


A big war with Iran/Syria/Lebenan is coming

China going to stop exporting cheap goods to USA

First it will be Deflation and then Hyperinflation.


World and the US Middle + Poor Class got SUCKERED by the US RATS and DEMORATS like Clinton and Obama.

Time to boil rice + potatos for lunch and supper and ride a bicycle to work for those who are lucky enough to have one.

ps: RATS Republicans are Traitors.

:D :cool: :p
 
Quote from toc:

S&P 500 to 1000 by fall
Recession ahead
oil prices going to collapse
USD further to tinker into the tanker


A big war with Iran/Syria/Lebenan is coming

China going to stop exporting cheap goods to USA

First it will be Deflation and then Hyperinflation.


World and the US Middle + Poor Class got SUCKERED by the US RATS and DEMORATS like Clinton and Obama.

Time to boil rice + potatos for lunch and supper and ride a bicycle to work for those who are lucky enough to have one.

:D :cool: :p

But if most Americans can watch all their reality/talent shows and have enough junk food in the kitchen, they won't complain...
 
The best short trade of this century is now in the making!

As a prediction, over the next 12 weeks or so, the Ratings of US Government debt will be continously lowered until a rating of CCC is reached by the end of October.

ZB finished trading today at 132 and by the end of October 2011 it may be trading at 13.2!
 
Quote from FreakofNature:

Anyone short the Z futures ?

I bet that rakes quite the cash on Sunday night.

FoN
yeah, but it's gonna have to move pretty good for a couple of years to make up for all the times I got stopped out 8/4.

I don't know why I even bothered using stops. As soon as I'd get stopped out I'd think about it for a minute and then just get short again with a higher stop.
 
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