america before ther nanny state

was america a better place to live before the nanny state?

  • yes it was

    Votes: 31 75.6%
  • no it was not

    Votes: 5 12.2%
  • not sure

    Votes: 5 12.2%

  • Total voters
    41
Quote from trefoil:

We have a Republican gov'nr here in Joisey, ya know. The difference between you and him is - he has sane views. He's a regular Republican, not a nutcase.
Meantime, just to let you know, taxes in general are higher in the liberal states for the simple reason we have to pay for a lot more infrastructure than a meridian highway or two that gets built by the Feds anyway. Which of course means it gets built with the capital - that is, the taxes - generated on the coasts, by us, not in the middle or the Heart O' Dixie, where they think the Feds are eeevuul.
Try riding a NYC subway at rush hour from any one of the outer boroughs. What you'll see is a large number of people reading textbooks to get ahead, on any one of a number of trades, whether it be nursing, mechanical engineering or paralegal or whatever else you can think of. The cities are where the ambitious poor head to do what they have to do for a better life. The trailer parks in the South are where the stupes who are content with what they can get at Wal-Mart sit around and drink beer.
One is getting ahead, the other - isn't.
Feel free to split off anytime.

By the way, I live in Manhattan, so I don't need to ride the train from anywhere.

Just the latest essay on the breakdown of the "blue state model" being chronicled by Mead, prompted by the "ticket fixing" scandal going on and a police protest outside a Bronx courtroom. Sounds like a scene out of Tacitus describing Rome in its decadence.

http://blogs.the-american-interest.com/wrm/2011/11/06/occupy-blue-wall-street/

"Meanwhile, the Times was deeply shocked and troubled by what it saw. Policemen booing and cursing prosecutors and officers of the court? Open solidarity with lawbreakers? But it was even worse. Across the street from the courthouse is a “benefits center.” When the crowd lined up to collect welfare payments started chanting “Fix our tickets!” at the protesting cops, the cops responded with derisory chants of “EBT! EBT” (electric benefits transfer, a popular method of making social support payments here in the blue paradise of the northeast). As if heckling poor people wasn’t enough, the Times dismally notes, the taunting, chanting cops failed to pick up after themselves, leaving litter on the streets as the protest broke up.

No doubt the Times reporters involved are more knowledgeable and experienced than this, but the piece sometimes reads as if it was written by a couple of upper middle class college boys shocked and frightened at their first encounter with the rough edges of the urban male working class: dewy cheeked and candy bottomed political studies majors at their first Teamster rally.

The police rally against law enforcement was one of those rare moments that illuminate the life of a great city in crisis. Between the good government, pro-minority Times reporters, the angry crowd of police rallying to protect their privileges and perks against the background of a city facing financial cutbacks, and the crowd of poor benefit seekers waiting in the street, resentful of the privileged police, we see can see the political and social crisis of New York in a single space.

The good government upper middle class, the entrenched groups with a solid stake in the status quo and the marginalized working or non-working poor with no prospects for advancement apart from the patronage of the state: this is the mass base of the blue electoral coalition — and the groups in the coalition don’t seem to like each other very much."


Yeah, the Northeast is a regular utopia. Oh, and taxes are high because the infrastructure was supposed to be supporting more people, but lots of people voted with their feet and got out, going to those states where the "stupes" are, leaving those who stayed to pay those fixed costs. Then, when you factor in the fact that so many city dwellers are basically useless and don't pay taxes, rates on those who do pay have to go higher.

See, I support limited government not because I don't live in the city, but because I do. In fact, I've lived 22 years combined in Boston, Chicago and NYC and not a single experience I've had in any of them convinced me that big-city liberalism was anything other than the willful denial of reality.
 
Quote from bigarrow:

Here Here, get rid of those job killing, profit killing child labor laws. We've lost the garment industry, among others, to industrious third world countries who aren't too proud to work their children for the good of the country and corporate profits. Another problem I have is those profit killing worker safety laws, doesn't the public realize how much profit this is draining from the coal mining industry. Is it really worth spending millions and millions a year on mine safety to save a few workers lives, is it, I say no. They live underground, some are probably wanting to die and when they die we can put some more slugs underground. Eliminate worker safety laws for the good of our country and corporations. And what's with all this equal opportunity BS, used to you could hire some blacks or browns to do shit work and it wouldn't cost us much. Now we have to import our disposable workers from Mexico to take advantage of, WTF. We have our own minorities we can use for these undesirable job and yes their kids too.

Unbelievable ! :D
 
Quote from EMRGLOBAL:

bigarrow
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You and the rest of the Libtards are gona pay the price in unemployment and higher cost of living, as I'm sure you are now.

If I would guess....MR. ARROW, you'r a retried old fool living off some pension probably 3x that of your salary that you paid little into. Either Union or Gov.

Nobody is saying to return to industrial revolution times and IMHO your clueless about the Labor in Foreign countries, other than the crap you read by the idiots libtards.

I deal with places like CHINA, Vietnam, Indonesia. Yes, Indonesia is probably the worst as they are now coming into the "Industrial World". China's cost of Production is rising as their min wag and labor laws are going into effect, pushing the cost of doing business a lot higher....

I have a friend who has a global Hedge Fund. One office is in Mumbai. He pays his "IT" Quants one third of what he would here in the US. They live like kings and work hard. So what.

It's a Global Economy now.

Pull your head outa your arse and learn a few things from experience and not through some article in the NY TIMES or where ever else your crusted old ass gets the news.

Regulation at this point, is overdone and destroying the little Manufacturing Industry left in the US. They can not compete on a Global Level. We need sensible regulation not Over Regulation like you LIbtards push.

Idiots.

emrglobal can you write a sentence with insulting someone and bragging about yourself ? You are too young to be such a bitter <edit>.
 
Quote from logic_man: in response to Trefoil

Hey, easy solution is to split the country into two countries. If you think that your ideas are so superior, you should be in favor of this solution. I know I am. Put your money where your mouth is.

Maybe the perfect place to split it is the North Dakota State line.
 
Quote from shortie:

color TVs serve the essential function of mass control
Welcome to the 21st century, where TV's are feared by lexicons and Huxley-obsessed authors who question the existence of the moon and believe the NFL is rigged...
 
Quote from trefoil:

I'm not actually against anything. If this country were to split up guess what - the liberal states have the money the conservative states subsidize themselves with. The only consistently conservative states that pay their own way are Georgia and Texas. So, if you guys leave, it's a huge net win for us.
I was merely pointing out that I've paid my money and made my choice. You apparently haven't, since you're so dissatisfied with living in the US, apparently. Can't help you there.

If there were a peaceful secession, the entitlement-loving masses would flock to the half of the country favoring the welfare state. Then we'd see how long Buffet, Soros, Oprah, etc. would support them before they expatriated.

The late 1800s were the most prosperous of this nation. "Deflation" was actually a good thing, as it's supposed to be, and economic growth was very strong. Then came the Fed, the income tax and the welfare state. Now look where employment and debt levels are. And it won't get any better under the current circumstances. The poor are held down by unions and regulations worse than anyone. Many would like to start a business that doesn't require a high-skill level (e.g., a moving company), but are held back by regulations intended to keep them out.

Among all the lies about the goodness of the welfare state, mandatory schooling (especially with Federal involvment) is one of the worst. In third grade, my son tested from 7th grade to post-high school in every subject area, and he's been educated at 1/10 to 1/2 the cost of government schools in our state. The Departments of Education and Energy are huge frauds that should've been abolished after Carter.
 
Quote from trefoil:

We have a Republican gov'nr here in Joisey, ya know. The difference between you and him is - he has sane views. He's a regular Republican, not a nutcase.
Meantime, just to let you know, taxes in general are higher in the liberal states for the simple reason we have to pay for a lot more infrastructure than a meridian highway or two that gets built by the Feds anyway. Which of course means it gets built with the capital - that is, the taxes - generated on the coasts, by us, not in the middle or the Heart O' Dixie, where they think the Feds are eeevuul.
Try riding a NYC subway at rush hour from any one of the outer boroughs. What you'll see is a large number of people reading textbooks to get ahead, on any one of a number of trades, whether it be nursing, mechanical engineering or paralegal or whatever else you can think of. The cities are where the ambitious poor head to do what they have to do for a better life. The trailer parks in the South are where the stupes who are content with what they can get at Wal-Mart sit around and drink beer.
One is getting ahead, the other - isn't.
Feel free to split off anytime.

Just because they are reading textbooks and go to college, it doesn't mean they will find a job. Another reason why they are more motivated in the NYC area is because of the high cost of living. I live in Georgia now in the Atlanta area and there are motivated people here too. I used to live in New Jersey and am glad I moved down south. The people are friendlier, home prices are lower, property taxes are lower, and we rarely get snow, and if we do get snow, it will be 1 inch at the most.
 
Washington State is one of the bettter locations stateside. There is still some comonsense here. NY just got to be stupid. I am glad I moved about a year ago from NY. I traveled the US from East To West and saw how things really are talked to people face to and formed my own opinions. Show me different do not tell me different. The wrong priorities are being placed on top for whatever reason and this nation is falling and falling. There are other countries in the world and the global populace has more mobility. Reasons to reside somehwere are purely economically driven. If state governments can not get their act together then people leave. Look at the change in congressional seat to see the migration. NY lost 2 Washington picked up 1. As far as the nanny state. My best interest is my pocket book, plain and simple. If things get to bad here stateside I will just close up the position and move to another location, just like an equity trade. Cold and heartless the new world way.

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