Am I Wasting My Time?

What is wrong with making 0.002% a day when the market/stocks give directions in 2% in any direction on any given day?
Unless you are a computer and doing hundreds of trades a day (or even thousands), picking up 2bps a day after transaction costs is very hard. Granted, this is ET - everyone lives in Beverly Hill and dates Jessica Alba.
 
Unless you are a computer and doing hundreds of trades a day (or even thousands), picking up 2bps a day after transaction costs is very hard. Granted, this is ET - everyone lives in Beverly Hill and dates Jessica Alba.

I don't agree with needing to be a computer or do that many trades but at the same time I probably need to lower my expectations for other people.
 
Given your beliefs (or should I say "doubts") about whether this is even possible means that you have no chance.

This is a sound and perceptive assessment I would say.

I start my traders with $26,000 and they start off trading odd lots. Their stop loss is $1000 on starting equity

I just transferred between personal TDA accounts to bring one down to $26,000. I'm going to see how long it takes for me to qualify to fund myself.

I don't agree with needing to be a computer or do that many trades but at the same time I probably need to lower my expectations for other people.

I expect great things of myself and from my people. I wouldn't let anonymous internet forum posters change my optimism. I am bullish on myself and others.
 
I wanted to post this question here. Might be a stupid question, but just trying to look at this from a realistic perspective.

Am I wasting my time chasing the "trade for a living" dream?

I've done countless hours or research and it seems that the only people making real money in this industry are selling their systems or selling their mentoring and coaching services.

Additionally, I took a step back and thought about the potential outcomes and none of them really seem to add up either. The best-case scenario to me would look like I make several thousand for all the time and energy put into it, and that might not even be realistic.

- Trading with only $100k of capital is not even close enough to potentially trade for a living
- No path to raise real money from outside investors in the US with all the SEC red tape.
- No track record
- Lastly and most importantly, I feel that there is barely any edge out there for the retail trader. With all the competition in the market, I find it very hard to believe anybody out there truly makes an income from just trading for a living.

I started my trading education path back in 2011 up until about 2016 then life came around, but recently I've been coming back to the drawing board but this time around knowing what I know now, I am wondering if this is even a realistic path to go down or if I should just stop now and focus my time on something that could pay off more instead of going down the rabbit hole.

Again, this might be stupid, and I am sure I will get a lot of "noob thinks he is going to make millions overnight" or "haven't even traded yet and is already going to quit" type replies but I'm just trying to look at this from a realistic and logical path this time around.

Thanks!
Tall Mike,

Note: Take my advice with a grain of salt, I am Not a consistent profitable day trader, yet.

You are Not wasting your time.

I am on my 5th year with trading and still not profitable, but I am not losing alot either. This is also my part time business as I do work a full time job with family and other activities. There is alot of studying and practicing that goes into the trading industry. Part of my delay is time commitment. I enjoy it, so I feel no need to give up. Trading keeps my mind challenged.

Most of the time spent is figuring out what works and who to listen to. The other time is spent practicing and journal and trial and error.

My recommendation is to keep going and give it your best for 1 to 2 years rather you do it full time or part time. Try to put about 20 hours a week into your trading if you can. I know its alot of gurus on youtube saying its easy, but if I can start from the beginning, I would spend more time seeking quality trading training, then trying to trade on my own with real cash.

You doing the right thing by asking questions too. Asking questions can save you tons of money and time.

I can share this with you. I spent a great deal of time searching trading courses and seeking a mentor. You should do the same if you like.
 
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yes you can.

theoretically there is nothing you cannot succeed at.

but realise there is in an any field a huge difference between a pro and an amateur.

to develop expertise in anything you need time to study and a lot of practice to gain experience.

both of these entails a cost..so you need to be able to fund the 'apprenticeship' since it will take some time to earn.

this is not an activity most parents will encourage or fund so you have to go at it alone.

and that is the most difficult thing
 
Tall Mike,

Note: Take my advice with a grain of salt, I am Not a consistent profitable day trader, yet.

You are Not wasting your time.

I am on my 5th year with trading and still not profitable, but I am not losing alot either. This is also my part time business as I do work a full time job with family and other activities. There is alot of studying and practicing that goes into the trading industry. Part of my delay is time commitment. I enjoy it, so I feel no need to give up. Trading keeps my mind challenged.

Most of the time spent is figuring out what works and who to listen to. The other time is spent practicing and journal and trial and error.

My recommendation is to keep going and give it your best for 1 to 2 years rather you do it full time or part time. Try to put about 20 hours a week into your trading if you can. I know its alot of gurus on youtube saying its easy, but if I can start from the beginning, I would spend more time seeking quality trading training, then trying to trade on my own with real cash.

You doing the right thing by asking questions too. Asking questions can save you tons of money and time.

I can share this with you. I spent a great deal of time searching trading courses and seeking a mentor. You should do the same if you like.


Here, this might help you get to the next level. Read Stan Weinstein's book Secrets for Profiting in Bull and Bear Markets. This book is chockfull of information on how to trade stocks properly. Read it from the beginning to the end. Read it again if anything is unclear. Way cheaper than hiring a mentor and you can re-read it multiple times until it sinks in.
 
I spent a great deal of time searching trading courses and seeking a mentor. You should do the same if you like.

for years maybe decades i did that.

i read my first boom in 1994 and i may have read over 200 books since then

it really helped me a lot.

for anyone that is the only way.


because how else will you know what NOT TO DO.

now i am slowly getting profitable because i know what not to do.
 
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