Am I doing something wrong? Making money can't be this easy...

Quote from julian0625:

Nice pwnage right there

The next step for you to do is to write down a trading plan. Set your risk parameters, indentify what types of setups you'll be looking for ect. ect.

The reason this is extrememly important is because when you trade live money, you will need to have some STRUCTURE to your trades, as the emotions can very easily get in the way of your normal thought process.

yah, you're right. its completely reactionary right now with only a few basic indicators/variables that I think about consciously
 
Quote from tycoonman:

I have mental stops because im still learning to feel the trends and setting up confidence levels within turns and trends. I really don't know what the rest of your terminoligy means re "failed breakout" etc.

as for surprise news taking the trend the other way etc., i generally have a mental stop loss at about 5% of my account size. So if i get close to around the red 250-300$ then i exit. I will set up similar stops when i go live.

Since you trade with the trend, I was assuming the reason you took a short trade counter-trend was because the previous high of 1333.50 did not break by even a full point, hence the term "failed breakout" (or fbo).

One big difference between live trading and sim is that in sim if you have a mental stop and a surprise news announcement runs price against you 20 points or more (I believe a surprise Fed announcement once ran ES 40 points several years ago; there's a scary thread about stuff like that somewhere on this site), your sim account can easily absorb the nasty loss, whereas in your live account, by the time you go to exit your trade at the level of your mental stop, price might be three times farther away and still running.
 
Quote from NoDoji:

Since you trade with the trend, I was assuming the reason you took a short trade counter-trend was because the previous high of 1333.50 did not break by even a full point, hence the term "failed breakout" (or fbo).

One big difference between live trading and sim is that in sim if you have a mental stop and a surprise news announcement runs price against you 20 points or more (I believe a surprise Fed announcement once ran ES 40 points several years ago; there's a scary thread about stuff like that somewhere on this site), your sim account can easily absorb the nasty loss, whereas in your live account, by the time you go to exit your trade at the level of your mental stop, price might be three times farther away and still running.

+1

In times of high pressure and speed, without a stop, you have NO idea what your emotions will make you do if the market runs WAY against you.
 
Quote from tycoonman:


I just made 100$ in 2 minutes shorting the ES at 1333.00 (at 1331.00 right now). and it will keep going down for about another hour to 2 hrs to ~1328.00.

Well, thats when I plan on getting out, is at ~1328.00

Very good call, you definitely better than 99% of the "expert" in ET :D
 
Quote from NoDoji:

Since you trade with the trend, I was assuming the reason you took a short trade counter-trend was because the previous high of 1333.50 did not break by even a full point, hence the term "failed breakout" (or fbo).

One big difference between live trading and sim is that in sim if you have a mental stop and a surprise news announcement runs price against you 20 points or more (I believe a surprise Fed announcement once ran ES 40 points several years ago; there's a scary thread about stuff like that somewhere on this site), your sim account can easily absorb the nasty loss, whereas in your live account, by the time you go to exit your trade at the level of your mental stop, price might be three times farther away and still running.

yah, it was based on the 1333.50 high. didn't know what fbo was.


yah, i understand the risk of not having hard stops. But at this point im really just learning what my own personal threshold is for loss and gain. Im basically trying to learn my own trading psychology, and what makes me feel good and bad during the position, documenting my thought on paper really quickly, and then moving forward. I don't want to arbitrarily set up risk management techniques, because i believe they are different for each individual. Like I said, right now it looks like i'll be placing stops that are at 5% of my total balance. Seems to be keeping my emotions under control when im trading.
 
for example, right now i have a long postion open at 1327.25 which is giving me a loss of $25 at the moment, and i have limit at 1329.50 which it looks like it slowly going to reach. And it looks to hit within 3-4 hours.

I have a hard stop at 1325.25, and ill let it ride. Trading after market hours is hard though as someone pointed out.
 
Quote from ForexForex:

There is no emotion, as in FEAR and GREED, when trading a demo.

its a matter of discipline and understanding emotion. I have two fears when trading: Losing more than I can afford, and exiting early. The greed is incorporated more in the ladder.

My job is understanding that everything is mathematical, and not based on fear and greed. If i stick to the system then fear and greed play little to no role.
 
Quote from Fireplace:

What is this ladder you speak of? :confused:

latter.

am in a spelling contest? autocorrect does it on its own, and i dont have the gumption to go back and check evrything.
 
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