Alternatives to charts to perceive the market...?

I'm with you there. I was getting up at 3:30 every day for a while to work on my first big project. I should warn you once you achieve your first goal you will find lots more ideas to investigate, which will require further learning. :)
 
All of the market information you need may be found in MD Trader. Volume At Price (VAP) and Position In Queue (EPIQ) tell a great story on where prices have been, may go, and how your order looks in the book.
https://library.tradingtechnologies.com/trade/mdt-mdtrader-display.html
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Hi all,

It's often been said here and elsewhere that charts don't contain all relevant information and that there are other ways to perceive historical data.

I have some ideas about what this means, but I'm curious what else I might be missing...

They could also be talking about those that use historical data of bid/ask/Time & Sales information. Some even are graphing tools on the data they're getting from their DOM.
 
Chart = PRICE/fuel movement = the footprint of the HERD =TA

DSI numbers = temperature of the HERD, also can be charted

Combine the 2 and you have a solid engine - you will never ever again sell a bottom or buy a top

Hi,

Do you mind telling me what DSI numbers are?

I'm intrigued.
 
Hi,

Do you mind telling me what DSI numbers are?

I'm intrigued.


Yes of course, Howard.

DSI = daily sentiment index = a measure of temperature of the HERD, i.e. bullish or bearish or neutral. Done by sampling large numbers of individuals. Jake charges $2k per month for this service. The data can be charted nicely.

Where the DSI is of superb value is anywhere near market tops or bottoms as it represents extreme levels of bullishness or bearishness = contrarian signal that market has reached a dangerous zone and one should be therefore tightening stops or perhaps unloading holdings and going to the sidelines.

Applying this to current US stock market's S&P500, the bullish sentiment is thru' the roof, which is why contrarians are either already shorting or getting ready to go short.

DSI has one major drawback, namely a market can get even more extreme than it already is so the timing factor is blunt - so I use it as a readiness factor.
 
Howard, sometimes there are newsletters that include the DSI numbers, so thus dispense with the liability of paying 2k/mo. My suggestion is to search out such newsletters and pay their $50/yr.

Keep your overhead low, low low, get only what is abs. necessary and look for bargains

In the meantime put a 15x30 emas on your charts and combine with Macd 0-line cross to put some serious cash in the bank from your early days of trading. With just this you will never not milk any trend in existence.
 
Basically, I'm just interested in quantifying a trading range, then observing what happens when the market trades outside that range.

There is no exact way of doing what you want but you can get a handle on things, particularly if you are not "looking" to far into the future, by using option implied volatility and prices. Here is a link to a quick way to calculate what you want that is usually as good as any: https://www.tastytrade.com/tt/learn/expected-move
 
Chart pattern recognition for short term trading possibly is a joke, for longer terms eg several days holdings to weeks to months & years isn't a joke imo.
I've attempted intraday trading via charts and can make no sense of it, I could never trade it profitably.
not that I disagree with you but consider this: intraday you mostly operate on known information. What is the significance of a chart pattern from yesterday into the future when you don't know the news/information/data that will be known in the future? I'm sure there is a significance but...
 
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