All You Need To Know About The Debt Ceiling

Quote from Ricter:

But he damn sure knows how to estimate the long-term viability of a plan to cut the deficit by half as much as what Obama wants. Get busy, Douglas.

Ummm... the fact of the matter is that the only specific plan with numbers on it was proposed by Paul Ryan.

Still, NOTHING with numbers forwarded by the President and the Democrats. Hell, the Dems held a supermajority and operated for two years without a budget - period.

Get busy, Dems.
 
Quote from bone:

Ummm... the fact of the matter is that the only specific plan with numbers on it was proposed by Paul Ryan.

Still, NOTHING with numbers forwarded by the President and the Democrats. Hell, the Dems held a supermajority and operated for two years without a budget - period.

Get busy, Dems.

Yeah, Ryan was laughed out of the room on that one, and even Heritage had to back up their assessment.
 
"All You Need To Know About The Debt Ceiling"

Here's what I know: On August 3, all the elderly, poor people in this country will be getting their $ocial $ecurity check$!
 
Quote from AAAintheBeltway:

Consider who wins and loses. I realize this is the sort of thing that drives ordinary voters crazy. They see pols fiddling and playing games while the country circles the drain. True enough, but in the end it is all political. That is reality.

Potential winners.

1. Obama. He had total victory sooo close, until Cantor spoiled it for him. why do you think they are so angry at Cantor? Obama had the guileless Boehner ready to sign on to a grand bargain that would impose big cuts on medicare and ss through means testing and raise taxes. Republicans would have been selling out their supporters not only on raising the ceiling but also by increasing their taxes and taking away their benefits. Plus, obama could have run for reelection as the president who finally got the budget under control, and no doubt would have continued to attack republicans for cutting medicare and ss.

Now it appears Obama will have to settle for a lesser win. At this point, a simple increase in the ceiling with no strings attached is looking good to everyone but the Tea Party crowd. Still, that would be a win for obama and the media would trumpet it.

2. Bachmann. Her take no prisoners approach has resonated big time with primary voters, many of whom see the outcome of a default only hurting the same Wall Streeters who got bailed out before. Her approach offers her a win-win-win potential. If there is no increase and a default, she can criticize Obama and Geithner for mismanagement, claiming there was plenty of money to pay debt and essential expenditures. Hard to disprove. Plus, an economic disaster has to hurt Obama. If there is no increase and Geithner juggles accounts to avoid default, she can say she was right all along. And if there is some sort of compromise agreement to raise the ceiling, she will claim a sellout and proclaim the need for real leaders. Win-win-win.

3. Cantor. He has clearly played to the Tea Party caucus, which carries risk for him but also offers a clear path to the Speakership.

Potential losers.

1. Obama. All this talk about his vastly increased spending and the failure of his policies can't help him. An economic disaster following failure to raise the ceiling can't possibly help him. Voters already sense he is in over his head and that would confirm it. Blaming republicans will sound like whining and failure to take responsibility.

2. Boehner. He has shown unsteady leadership and many conservatives believe he would have given away the store without Cantor looking over hi shoulder.

3. Romney. Putative republican front runner has been notably silent, despite basing his campaign on his fiscal expertise. Reminiscent of McCain in '08 bailout talks.

One more reason why I have not put you on ignore. Ur political analysis is unrivaled here in fightclub. Nice job.
 
but... all this political stuff creates uncertainty in the markets. Uncertainty generates volatility, volatility is a trader's bread and butter... we should be donating to both parties!
 
Quote from RCG Trader:

One more reason why I have not put you on ignore. Ur political analysis is unrivaled here in fightclub. Nice job.

One reason I have not put you on ignore. Just when I'm ready to write you off, you say something intelligent.
:)
 
Quote from AAAintheBeltway:

Step one, everyone assumes it will be approved after some griping. That's what happened the other 74 times, after all. Obama demands a clean extension with no extraneous budget matters.

History is doomed to repeat itself. Or so the saying goes.
 
Now the markets have gone apeshit over some convoluted plan by the reformed Gang of Six. Can it pass the House? Doubtful.

Anyway bonds have soared, gold plummeted and stocks rallied. For now.
 
They paid into the system for years they damned well better get their checks!

Quote from BSAM:

"All You Need To Know About The Debt Ceiling"

Here's what I know: On August 3, all the elderly, poor people in this country will be getting their $ocial $ecurity check$!
 
Potential winners:

Our political hacks, their minions, and of course Corporate America.

Definite losers:

Everyone else

Funny how those that caused the shit-storm come out winners, again!
 
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