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studentofthemarkets said:
However, pressure and heat would have caused detectable changes in the minerals of these rocks, tell-tale signs of metamorphism.8 But such metamorphic minerals or recrystallization due to such plastic behavior9 is not observed in these rocks.
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Some (Christian!) geology experts disagree.
https://biologos.org/articles/flood-geology-and-the-grand-canyon-what-does-the-evidence-really-say/
More severe and smaller scale folding is observed in the Tapeats Sandstone in the Carbon Creek area. Flood geologists say that such folding can only occur if the sedimentary layers are so recently deposited that they are still soft, not old, hard rock. As evidence they report that the folds lack fractures, which would be evidence of hard-rock breakage during folding. On the contrary, we show in our book that the folds are riddled with fractures and contain evidence of brittle and flexural slip within and between layers in the folds. These absolutely cannot form in recently deposited sediment, as claimed by flood geologists.
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studentofthemarkets said:
The only way to explain how these sandstone and limestone beds could be folded, as though still pliable, is to conclude they were deposited during the Genesis Flood, just months before they were folded.
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Not only was the top of the Redwall Formation eroded during a long period of exposure, but also sinkholes and caves formed within the limestone. Many of the ancient caves eventually collapsed or were filled with the younger Surprise Canyon Formation. Caves form in solid limestone. If the limestone was deposited rapidly and immediately buried by overlying sediments as flood geologists claim, how could caves have formed at all?
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Here is a direct critique of the article you referenced.
https://ageofrocks.wordpress.com/2011/04/17/rock-layers-folded-not-fractured-or-are-they/
"ROCK LAYERS FOLDED, NOT FRACTURED" — OR ARE THEY?

In an effort to provide evidence of deposition in rapid succession during the Flood (and deformation immediately thereafter), Dr. Snelling cites one of the most powerful arguments against his interpretation of geologic history. According to Dr. Snelling’s view of the Flood, we should not expect to find abundant evidence of brittle deformation in these rocks, but in fact we find it everywhere. Brittle faults and fractures are testament, rather, to the deep time behind geologic processes others have come to appreciate.
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On the other hand, this guy, who apparently suports the article you posted, wrote a lot of books. So some of his words are bound to be true.:)
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ph1l said:
Some (Christian!) geology experts disagree.
https://biologos.org/articles/flood-geology-and-the-grand-canyon-what-does-the-evidence-really-say/
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Good response! I'll get back to you on this....hopefully sooner than the months it took me last time! :)

ph1l said:
On the other hand, this guy, who apparently suports the article you posted, wrote a lot of books. So some of his words are bound to be true.:)
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Oh yeah, I usually agree with most (though not everything) of what "this guy" talks about! He's definitely very entertaining to listen to/watch!
 
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studentofthemarkets said:
Stu, can you please show me some evidence to support your Beanstalk myth?
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I can show you some pseudoscience as evidence. Will that do?

studentofthemarkets said:
I already showed evidence for the Flood, so that it can no longer be considered a myth:
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You showed pseudoscience as evidence and of course it is considered a myth. An old myth story told by different religions in different ways.
 
ph1l said:
Some (Christian!) geology experts disagree.
https://biologos.org/articles/flood-geology-and-the-grand-canyon-what-does-the-evidence-really-say/

More severe and smaller scale folding is observed in the Tapeats Sandstone in the Carbon Creek area. Flood geologists say that such folding can only occur if the sedimentary layers are so recently deposited that they are still soft, not old, hard rock. As evidence they report that the folds lack fractures, which would be evidence of hard-rock breakage during folding. On the contrary, we show in our book that the folds are riddled with fractures and contain evidence of brittle and flexural slip within and between layers in the folds. These absolutely cannot form in recently deposited sediment, as claimed by flood geologists.
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This pic looks folded, not fractured, to me!!

https://i0.wp.com/canyonministries.com.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Israel-Fold.jpg

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ph1l said:
Here is a direct critique of the article you referenced.
https://ageofrocks.wordpress.com/2011/04/17/rock-layers-folded-not-fractured-or-are-they/
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I did read the article you posted and also some other objections to Dr. Snelling's position, and without being a geologist myself, it is a little hard to discern what I'm looking at in the pictures and the strength of each side of the argument, but I am siding with the rocks being formed from the flood. :)

Dr. Snelling is not the only creation scientist to hold this view. Below is a link to another creationist with some mining knowledge who shares the same view:

https://creation.com/folded-rocks

And here is a link to Dr. Snelling's paper which contains detailed discussion and several pictures:
The Petrology of the Tapeats Sandstone, Tonto Group, Grand Canyon, Arizona

https://answersresearchjournal.org/petrology-tapeats-sandstone-tonto-group/
 
studentofthemarkets said:
This is a very quick little video that explains one of the "folds." It shows how, possibly, the underlying hard rock did fracture and forced the upper layer of rock to move, which resulted in their bending, not breaking BECAUSE THEY HAD BEEN RECENTLY FORMED!

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Ok, so you're right, Noah in his wooden tub afloat loaded up a bunch of animals and set sail.
Which church shall I sign up for on Sunday?
 
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