All Atheist's End up In Hell

[studentofthemarkets]

Your reference, "The Biblical Basis for Modern Science: The Revised and Updated Classic By Henry Morris" quotes Dr Brett from a paper, so we don't know the context. And Henry Morris is the same person referenced in the "Misquoted Scientists Respond" article I posted a link to before.

I couldn't find that exact paper, but here is a part of the abstract of a similar paper actually coauthored by Dr Brett (or at least his name is the first of the authors):
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The first few sentences seem to be saying evolutionary change happens in relatively short 3 - 7 million year periods inside longer periods. So the quote from "The Biblical Basis for Modern Science" isn't very convincing.

Just to clarify, there was nothing in that article you posted about Misquoted Scientists that showed or even claimed that Dr. Morris was lying. I would think that if Dr. Morris had been caught in an actual lie by misquoting someone that the following quote would not have called this an amazing skill but rather would have called him out as a liar:

I never cease to be amazed at the skill with which Dr. Morris employs the writings of the top evolutionists themselves to develop an air-tight case against evolution.

—Thomas G. Barnes
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That book that Dr. Morris quoted Dr. Brett in has been around a long time and I would think there would be someone who would have publicly documented the misquote from his book, but I couldn't find anything stating so when doing a google search, so I think it's safe to say that it was a legitimate quote, although I'm sure Dr. Brett didn't intend for his words to be used to support creationists. In fact, in the book that Dr. Morris wrote, he even said as much immediately after the quote:

Another fascinating admission was made by evolutionist Carlton Brett. "Did life on earth change steadily and gradually through time? The fossil record emphatically says 'no.'"​

Brett, who is a convinced protagonist in favor of punctuated equilibrium, was not about to become a creationist but, consciously or subconsciously, he clearly appropriated the title of Dr. Duane Gish's book (Evolution--The Fossils Say No) to apply to the Gould-Eldredge scenario of long ages of "stasis" broken by brief catastrophic "punctuations" of essentially instant evolution the evidence for which is stasis. As Gould says, "Stasis has become interesting as a central prediction of our theory."

We creationists have always thought stasis was a central prediction of our "theory." How can it also predict sudden evolution?

https://books.google.com/books?id=MBzorALV3cYC&pg=PA320&lpg=PA320&dq=Dr.+Carlton+E+Brett+did+life+on+earth+change+steadily+and+gradually+through+time&source=bl&ots=i7gRJonTfK&sig=ACfU3U3JhNLoOpXrscO09hQKJ9a1W-O1vw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj5m8uvy7X4AhXYD0QIHY-2A64Q6AF6BAgcEAM#v=onepage&q=Dr. Carlton E Brett did life on earth change steadily and gradually through time&f=false
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A really good video showing that there are no transitional fossils!!!

BTW, I have really like Dr. Henry Morris' writings and beliefs for a long time and I thoroughly recommend reading his material!

 

[themickey]

BTW, I have really like Dr. Henry Morris' writings and beliefs for a long time and I thoroughly recommend reading his material!

Of course you like him, it suits your one eyed biased strongly held christian group think opinion about God and biblical myths.

Henry Madison Morris (October 6, 1918 – February 25, 2006) was an American young Earth creationist, Christian apologist and engineer. He was one of the founders of the Creation Research Society and the Institute for Creation Research. He is considered by many to be "the father of modern creation science". He coauthored The Genesis Flood with John C. Whitcomb in 1961.

Henry M. Morris


Morris adhered to both biblical literalism and inerrancy. Accordingly, he opposed the billions-of-years time scales of evolution, the age of the Earth and the age of the Universe that he saw as being contrary to it. Morris's influential approach, while adopted widely by the modern creationist movement, continues to be rejected by the mainstream scientific community, as well as by old Earth creationists, intelligent design advocates and theistic evolutionists.
Wiki

 

[studentofthemarkets]

Of course you like him, it suits your one eyed biased strongly held christian group think opinion about God and biblical myths.

Henry Madison Morris (October 6, 1918 – February 25, 2006) was an American young Earth creationist, Christian apologist and engineer. He was one of the founders of the Creation Research Society and the Institute for Creation Research. He is considered by many to be "the father of modern creation science". He coauthored The Genesis Flood with John C. Whitcomb in 1961.

Henry M. Morris


Morris adhered to both biblical literalism and inerrancy. Accordingly, he opposed the billions-of-years time scales of evolution, the age of the Earth and the age of the Universe that he saw as being contrary to it. Morris's influential approach, while adopted widely by the modern creationist movement, continues to be rejected by the mainstream scientific community, as well as by old Earth creationists, intelligent design advocates and theistic evolutionists.

I took back my "like" of your post because you said "biblical myths." But other than that, thanks for the post. He was a great guy.

Oh, now you deleted the "myths" part. lol

 

[themickey]

Student is trapped!
Trapped by the belief the bible is wholly God inspired.
So long as one believes the bible is authored by God, there is no getting off the illusion roundabout.

 

[themickey]

Oh, now you deleted the "myths" part. lol

Nope

 

[themickey]

I took back my "like" of your post because you said "biblical myths.

Well they are myths.
I would rather believe scientists who claim the earth is millions of years old than christians with no experience claiming the earth is thousands of years old.
Always remember, 99% of christians believe because they were told, not because they have academic qualifications in religion, philosphy or science.
Christians believe because of group think.
Believing the bible is God ordained, full of truth, that's where sheep hop aboard illusion group think roundabout.

 

[ph1l]

In fact, in the book that Dr. Morris wrote, he even said as much immediately after the quote:

Another fascinating admission was made by evolutionist Carlton Brett. "Did life on earth change steadily and gradually through time? The fossil record emphatically says 'no.'"​

Brett, who is a convinced protagonist in favor of punctuated equilibrium, was not about to become a creationist but, consciously or subconsciously, he clearly appropriated the title of Dr. Duane Gish's book (Evolution--The Fossils Say No) to apply to the Gould-Eldredge scenario of long ages of "stasis" broken by brief catastrophic "punctuations" of essentially instant evolution the evidence for which is stasis. As Gould says, "Stasis has become interesting as a central prediction of our theory."

We creationists have always thought stasis was a central prediction of our "theory." How can it also predict sudden evolution?

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So Dr Morris wrote that Dr Brett wrote that evolution is not continuous but instead happens in short spurts (3 - 7 million years according to the paper I referenced). This essentially is like Dr Morris saying, "the part of the paper about stasis is true because it's consistent with my theory, but the part about evolution over 3 - 7 million years is false because it's not part of my theory."

That won't convince anyone who is not already a believer.​

 

[studentofthemarkets]

Christians believe because of group think.

Not at all. I used to hate believing differently than others. It's kind of fun on this forum, to blast you guys with creation/Bible stuff, but it's the only time I've ever had fun believing differently. I don't have "peer pressure" to believe the way I do. I differ from others in my church in some things and I associate with others that believe way different too. I feel accountable only to God for my beliefs, although if I got into some crazy way of thinking about stuff, I'd hope someone would try to set me straight....I mean like if I actually believed false things. I don't, of course.

 

[themickey]

Not at all. I used to hate believing differently than others. It's kind of fun on this forum, to blast you guys with creation/Bible stuff, but it's the only time I've ever had fun believing differently.

Trouble is, you write 10 page long nonsense and I don't read it.
If you wrote just a few sentences, that would be good, then even more posters may feel inclined to pile in, then you could have even more fun arguing.

 

[studentofthemarkets]

Trouble is, you write 10 page long nonsense and I don't read it.
If you wrote just a few sentences, that would be good, then even more posters may feel inclined to pile in, then you could have even more fun arguing.

So, short and to the point, from now on!

I don't know if I can do that!