Alexis Tsipras' "open letter" to German citizens

You know this thread brings an interesting question,

Since germany is currently emerging as the de facto leader of europe
how should it behave torwards its member states.

How will it act torwards russia, will merkel continue Ostpolitik ?
 
It is fact and widely accepted that both parties to an agreement are bound to the agreement. If party A breaks the agreement then party B may suffer a loss but party B can hold party A liable. In this example this may spell permanent expulsion from the EU. We talked about this many pages ago.



Is this stated fact or in your opinion? Define "plenty" or show a source that defines the finite amount. You know, so there's no misunderstanding.

I'm pretty sure the author was referring to the general mass of folks caught in the housing crisis that took out much more house than they could afford.

But I'm sure you'll back up your "plenty of people" argument.
 
I did indeed compare a drug dealer with the bank lending. What was not clear about that? A dealer sells a product in exchange for money. A bank lends money in exchange for interest over term. Far fetched examples? Much more in logical agreement than the drivel you post here.

By the way you still insist you paint a balanced picture with your articles? Lol.

Just as long as you're comparing a drug dealer to a bank lending, I think you're more in agreement with the analogy than you think!
 
That is precisely why you are the moron on this website. Because it does not go into your thick head that the bank was not the one who violated loan agreements with a mortgage borrower.Which matter clogs up your arteries for you to not comprehend this simple fact? I really start to get the impression you are an idiot who is present to incite disagreement.

I have not found one single write up that walks us through 2-3 thoughts that is your own in almost 50 pages. You are a cheap copy cat with no own product nor thought.

Leave out investors in repackaged products and the rating of such products, it is a different story altogether and most banks have already been held liable over this and been fined appropriately.

Not at all. As I said, you read little and what you do read you comprehend little. The people taking out the loans are just as guilty as those offering the money to unqualified folks and then pretending it is grade AAA debt.
 
oh, now I read them? I thought you insisted I do not read them? And did you not claim you provide a balanced picture? By the way where did you copy the bloomberg screeshots from?

Part of the reason is that most of the articles are looking at Greece from the debt perspective, and part of the reason is that I know volpunter goes completely bonkers every time he reads them.
 
It is fact and widely accepted that both parties to an agreement are bound to the agreement. If party A breaks the agreement then party B may suffer a loss but party B can hold party A liable. In this example this may spell permanent expulsion from the EU. We talked about this many pages ago.

I agree. But if Greece is prepared to accept that, then that is all she wrote.
 
wow, the author's wife of 27(!!!) years diseased on May 16, 2012 and he got re-married June of 2013? Thats 1 year. Married for 27 years and a year later the wedding bells are ringing? Absurd. But hey, you are on a straight line to top your author's credibility with each post.

Bailout Talks Collapse in 4 Hours; Greece Says Extension is "Absurd"; 79% Support Syriza's Negotiation Stance
Greece Says Extension is "Absurd"

Talks between Greece and eurozone officials were expected to last through the night. Instead Greece Bailout Talks Collapsed in Acrimony after four hours.


A crucial meeting of eurozone finance ministers over the future of Greece’s bailout broke down in acrimony after Athens angrily rejected the bloc’s insistence that it extend its current €172bn rescue as “absurd” and “unacceptable”.

It is the second time in five days that negotiations between the new anti-austerity Greek government and its eurozone creditors have collapsed and it means Athens, whose public finances are deteriorating fast, could soon be left with no European financial backstop.

The eurozone gave Athens until Wednesday night to reverse course. Jeroen Dijsselbloem, chairman of the eurogroup of finance ministers, said the time available for a Greek request was almost out: “We can use this week, but that’s about it,” he said. “There was a very strong opinion across the eurogroup that the next step has to come from the Greek authorities,” he added.

Monday’s talks collapsed when Yanis Varoufakis, Greek finance minister, strongly objected to a draft statement according to which Athens would drop its fierce opposition to prolonging its bailout.

Mr Dijsselbloem said holding another finance ministers this week to discuss Greece was contingent on a request for a bailout extension from Athens. He added that he had spoke with Donald Tusk, president of the European Council, and that Mr Tusk had no intention of calling a summit of eurozone heads of government. 79% Support Syriza Negotiation Stance

It's easier to take a hard stance when you have the support of the country as does Syriza. The BBC has poll data in its report Greece Rejects EU Bailout Offer as 'Absurd'.
Talks between Greece and European finance ministers have collapsed early after Greece rejected the EU's bailout offer as 'absurd' and 'unacceptable'.

Before the meeting, German finance minister Wolfgang Schaeuble had already said he was not optimistic a deal would be reached.

Mr Schaeuble told German radio: "The problem is that Greece has lived beyond its means for a long time and that nobody wants to give Greece money any more without guarantees," Mr Schaeuble said.

Greece has proposed a new bailout programme that involves a bridging loan to keep the country going for six months and help it repay €7bn (£5.2bn) of maturing bonds.

The second part of the plan would see the county's debt refinanced. Part of this might be through "GDP bonds" - bonds carrying an interest rate linked to economic growth.

Greece also wants to see a reduction in the primary surplus target - the surplus the government must generate (excluding interest payments on debt) - from 3% to 1.49% of GDP.

In Greece last week, two opinion polls indicated that more than three-quarters of Greeks supported Mr Tsipras's hardline stance.

According to the polls, 79% of Greeks backed the government's policies and 74% believed its negotiating strategy would succeed
. Drop the Debt Rally



Protesters showed their solidarity with Greece at a rally in Trafalgar Square over the weekend. AP

How Long Can Greece Last Without Funds?

Andrew Walker, World Service economics correspondent, offers his opinion on how long Greece can last if the ECB pulls the plug.
Two pressing financial issues loom over Greece: whether the government can pay its bills and the stability of the banks. Greek officials have said the government could keep going for several months, but there are doubts. How long it takes depends to a great extent on Greek taxpayers. The banks have already seen money being withdrawn and increasingly need central bank loans.

If there is no bailout programme, the European Central Bank could pull the plug on the banks. If it came to that, it really would mean a major financial crisis, with perhaps the imposition of extensive financial controls to prop up the banks and possibly even the re-introduction of a national currency. It's hard to nail down a date by which an agreement must be done to avert some sort of financial Armageddon, because it depends on the actions of taxpayers, bank customers and the ECB. But time is getting short.
Primary Account Surplus

How long Greece can remain on the euro depends on how long Greece can keep a primary account surplus. Tax revenues are key, but so is a run on the banks.

If the ECB pulls the plug, and it will if talks break down, Syriza will have no choice but to quickly see capital controls. Then it will be up to the tax collectors.

Given that capital controls can come at any time, I once again repeat my message to Greek citizens Get Out While You Still Can; Buy Gold.

For further discussion of how Greece can default and still stay on the euro, please see ...


By the way, it appears we have the answer to this question: Austerity Queen Angela Merkel Ready for Compromise on Greece?

Mike "Mish" Shedlock
http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com


 
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I did indeed compare a drug dealer with the bank lending. What was not clear about that? A dealer sells a product in exchange for money. A bank lends money in exchange for interest over term. Far fetched examples? Much more in logical agreement than the drivel you post here.

By the way you still insist you paint a balanced picture with your articles? Lol.

A drug dealer is just as guilty selling drugs as the person buying them. Each are complicit in the crime and at fault. It's just that the fault is for different things.

A Banker who lends to someone who cannot pay back is guilty of extending a loan without doing due diligence (or ignoring basic financial responsibility to shareholders, etc). The person taking the loan is guilty as well, if they take it without intent to pay it back, or eventually do not pay it back as they have violated the agreement they signed up for.

What part isn't clear?
 
That is precisely why you are the moron on this website. Because it does not go into your thick head that the bank was not the one who violated loan agreements with a mortgage borrower.Which matter clogs up your arteries for you to not comprehend this simple fact? I really start to get the impression you are an idiot who is present to incite disagreement.

Yet you continue to engage in conversation with someone you consider to be a fool. Who's more the fool? The fool or the fool who follows him around?

The bank did not violate the loan agreement, but they are just as guilty as they put forth a loan they knew could not be repaid (or if they did not know, then they are guilty of failing to do proper financial analysis on the debt and party asking for the loan - fraudulent or ignorant - take your pick).

I have not found one single write up that walks us through 2-3 thoughts that is your own in almost 50 pages. You are a cheap copy cat with no own product nor thought.

And yet, after 50 or so pages you are still here shouting at the rain. Go away if you don't like it - or keep whining for another 50 pages. I could care less.

Leave out investors in repackaged products and the rating of such products, it is a different story altogether and most banks have already been held liable over this and been fined appropriately.

It's not a different story. The banks are guilty of misleading investors, and it's an important part of my argument of why they are guilty. You can't just discount it because it's not convenient to your narrative.
 
Here couple facts:

* Germany does not feel comfortable to take a leadership role, never has once after the war and still does not want to be the leader of anything. It just wants to go about doing its work and business and not sucked by some lazy savages. It certainly does not understand its role as payer for every other member state citizen's dvd player and outboard engine.

* How it acts towards Russia? In very measured but firm ways, much firmer than the French who are more afraid their defense deals with Russia fall through. Germany is also dependent on Russian natural gas but yet the country has been at the forefront of sanctions imposed on Russia. Btw, Merkel speaks fluent Russian among couple other languages. She also has a PhD and was a lecturer in Physics. And she probably already now outperforms Thatcher in terms of political clout, influence, and power. Any other questions?

You know this thread brings an interesting question,

Since germany is currently emerging as the de facto leader of europe
how should it behave torwards its member states.

How will it act torwards russia, will merkel continue Ostpolitik ?
 
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