Alexis Tsipras' "open letter" to German citizens

[Tsing Tao]

dude, we are talking about the very specific case of the agreement between 2 parties.

But I make it simpler so you even understand: If you are prescribed pills by your doctor and the prescription says to take 1 a day but you swallow the whole fucking box of 200 and get sick, are you gonna hold your doctor liable? After all it was only printed on the prescription, the doctor should have also told you, right? LOL

Of course you can't hold him liable. But if the doctor prescribes these pills knowing that they won't work for you, he can be.

 

[Tsing Tao]

oh I am right? few posts above you said both parties have equal fault.

...are you really this stupid or just suffer from dementia?

Here, I've bolded the part of the quote that is important, because you probably overlooked it:

Each are complicit in the crime and at fault. It's just that the fault is for different things.

They both have fault, but for different things. I know English is your second language, so I've taken the liberty of trying to translate this into German. I apologize for grammar, but perhaps this can help you understand.

Sie sind beide schuldig. Sie sind schuldig verschiedener Verbrechen .

 

[volpunter]

Ha, so you are saying EU, ECB, and IMF had bad intentions when they offered money to Greece? They should have let Greece default right there right then? (Well in retrospect that would have been awesome). Greece was at the verge of collapse. The money was obviously needed to get Greece on life support. Else the money would be there.

Of course you can't hold him liable. But if the doctor prescribes these pills knowing that they won't work for you, he can be.

 

[Tsing Tao]

Oh really? You are saying they can spend 245 billion but cannot do anything to repay it, not even partly? Are you kidding me?

Of course they can partly repay it. But that's breaking the agreement. Also why I've said all along they cannot repay the debt agreement in it's present form. It must be renegotiated.

 

[Tsing Tao]

No, they look at the person's integrity first before they consider the case at hand. You are telling me this is the 0.01% exception that found some sudden love a year after his wife of 27 years marriage diseased? Sorry but in most cultures or social circle this raises tons of eyebrows. Maybe you are living in a society where people eat, fuck, and shit as they please. By the way I never judged this dude, I raised questions as every normal person would reading this.

You raised questions to discredit the article. Mish's personal life has nothing to do with Greece or the EU. You're losing the argument and resorting to name calling, personal attacks and the like. This has been your modus operandi the entire thread. It's blatantly obvious.

And no bank would look at whether someone married two people or how long it was. You're just making shit up.

 

[volpunter]

We do not talk about different things we are talking about one thing, the whole time the whole 50 pages. We talked about Greece being the only party to be blamed for their situation when the first bailout was extended, the second extended and they are at fault now that they plan to default without ever having fulfilled their contractual obligations that came with the bailout. That is what we are talking for 50 fucking pages.

Here, I've bolded the part of the quote that is important, because you probably overlooked it:



They both have fault, but for different things. I know English is your second language, so I've taken the liberty of trying to translate this into German. I apologize for grammar, but perhaps this can help you understand.

Sie sind beide schuldig. Sie sind schuldig verschiedener Verbrechen .

 

[Tsing Tao]

Ha, so you are saying EU, ECB, and IMF had bad intentions when they offered money to Greece? They should have let Greece default right there right then? (Well in retrospect that would have been awesome). Greece was at the verge of collapse. The money was obviously needed to get Greece on life support. Else the money would be there.

Not bad intentions, just different intentions. They lent money they knew would go to their own financial institutions. A back door bailout. Helping the Greeks was not the intent - or if it really was the intent - then the lenders are guilty of ignorance.

 

[Tsing Tao]

We do not talk about different things we are talking about one thing, the whole time the whole 50 pages. We talked about Greece being the only party to be blamed for their situation when the first bailout was extended, the second extended and they are at fault now that they plan to default without ever having fulfilled their contractual obligations that came with the bailout. That is what we are talking for 50 fucking pages.

Again, if you don't like it, leave (or claim to leave for the third time, or put me on ignore for the third time,...whatever). I'm not going to change my methods.

 

[volpunter]

Bullshit!!! All of Europe would clap their hands in admiration, that the Greek soul has won over its fucking arrogance in that they would try to do their best. Nobody would hold them to any original agreement if they tried. The problem is that EU, ECB, and IMF have made multiple concessions and each time the original loan is watered down the fucking savages come out of their cave and look to extort more. You want the 3 bodies to negotiate with fishermen every 6 months for the next 20 years?

Of course they can partly repay it. But that's breaking the agreement. Also why I've said all along they cannot repay the debt agreement in it's present form. It must be renegotiated.

 

[volpunter]

Holy shit. SO WHAT? Instead of banks with credit risk that could bring about another financial crisis Greece now owes the EU, IMF, and the ECB. SO WHAT? What does that change about Greece's obligations?

Not bad intentions, just different intentions. They lent money they knew would go to their own financial institutions. A back door bailout. Helping the Greeks was not the intent - or if it really was the intent - then the lenders are guilty of ignorance.