Alex Jones Mega Rant!!!! Awesome!!!!

Quote from dcraig:

Whether it is "cool" or not, I really can't be bothered. What Alex Jones and his fellow travelers do is start with a purported conspiracy of simply monumental proportions (the NWO) and spin utter nonsense around every world event and subject of significant public interest to prove the existence of the conspiracy. Like all good propagandists, they seek out some element of truth to support the bigger lie.

There is no end to the nonsense. Feminism was allegedly created by the CIA to destroy the family. Never mind that it existed long before the CIA was ever thought of and women actually would like things like equal rights and equal pay for doing the same job. The grain of truth is that the CIA certainly did take an interest in feminist organizations and this becomes the basis for the big lie.

Or in the case of 9/11, neocons and other assorted riff raff saw and exploited the big chance to further their imperialist ambitions in the Middle East. It was, and is, shameful and disgusting and it does not require the invention of the most implausible of conspiracies to condemn it in the strongest possible terms. What Alex Jones and co do is to seek to capture that revulsion and bundle it into brand of bizzare nonsense.

But there is no end to the junk spin. The physical reality of global warming and ghg emissions becomes spun into a conspiracy of breathtaking proportions for one world government. All the worlds major scientific organizations and most scientists are apparently hard at work on this. Really?

Or vaccines, where the fact that vaccines have been a huge benefit for public heath gets spun under the table by the fact that there are a very few cases of serious side effects. It seems a sick population is allegedly a docile population and that's all part of the conspiracy too.

The list could go on and on. It is politics for children and the gullible.
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Perfectly stated! Sprinkle in the liberal use of fear mongering and this becomes the most concise succinct summary of the Alex Jones MO.
 
Quote from dcraig:

Whether it is "cool" or not, I really can't be bothered. What Alex Jones and his fellow travelers do is start with a purported conspiracy of simply monumental proportions (the NWO) and spin utter nonsense around every world event and subject of significant public interest to prove the existence of the conspiracy. Like all good propagandists, they seek out some element of truth to support the bigger lie.

There is no end to the nonsense. Feminism was allegedly created by the CIA to destroy the family. Never mind that it existed long before the CIA was ever thought of and women actually would like things like equal rights and equal pay for doing the same job. The grain of truth is that the CIA certainly did take an interest in feminist organizations and this becomes the basis for the big lie.

Or in the case of 9/11, neocons and other assorted riff raff saw and exploited the big chance to further their imperialist ambitions in the Middle East. It was, and is, shameful and disgusting and it does not require the invention of the most implausible of conspiracies to condemn it in the strongest possible terms. What Alex Jones and co do is to seek to capture that revulsion and bundle it into brand of bizzare nonsense.

But there is no end to the junk spin. The physical reality of global warming and ghg emissions becomes spun into a conspiracy of breathtaking proportions for one world government. All the worlds major scientific organizations and most scientists are apparently hard at work on this. Really?

Or vaccines, where the fact that vaccines have been a huge benefit for public heath gets spun under the table by the fact that there are a very few cases of serious side effects. It seems a sick population is allegedly a docile population and that's all part of the conspiracy too.

The list could go on and on. It is politics for children and the gullible.
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The US is over 15 TRILLION in debt.......the US was attacked on 9/11 in the most bizarre fashion imaginable.........the US is as a result in MASSIVE wars all over the damn middle east (where the OIL is)........the US economy is horrid.........inflation in the US is everywhere to see and increasing.


These are NOT random events......so if you prefer FAUX News that is YOUR choice. :eek:
 
Quote from dcraig:
Whether it is "cool" or not, I really can't be bothered. What Alex Jones and his fellow travelers do is start with a purported conspiracy of simply monumental proportions (the NWO) and spin utter nonsense around every world event and subject of significant public interest to prove the existence of the conspiracy. Like all good propagandists, they seek out some element of truth to support the bigger lie.

There is no end to the nonsense. Feminism was allegedly created by the CIA to destroy the family. Never mind that it existed long before the CIA was ever thought of and women actually would like things like equal rights and equal pay for doing the same job. The grain of truth is that the CIA certainly did take an interest in feminist organizations and this becomes the basis for the big lie.

Or in the case of 9/11, neocons and other assorted riff raff saw and exploited the big chance to further their imperialist ambitions in the Middle East. It was, and is, shameful and disgusting and it does not require the invention of the most implausible of conspiracies to condemn it in the strongest possible terms. What Alex Jones and co do is to seek to capture that revulsion and bundle it into brand of bizzare nonsense.

But there is no end to the junk spin. The physical reality of global warming and ghg emissions becomes spun into a conspiracy of breathtaking proportions for one world government. All the worlds major scientific organizations and most scientists are apparently hard at work on this. Really?

Or vaccines, where the fact that vaccines have been a huge benefit for public heath gets spun under the table by the fact that there are a very few cases of serious side effects. It seems a sick population is allegedly a docile population and that's all part of the conspiracy too.

The list could go on and on. It is politics for children and the gullible.
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Quote from a_person:

but it's a giant leap of faith to claim that 9/11 was an inside job, there simply is no credible evidence supporting the claim.
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There's a shit load of evidence that proves 9/11 was an inside job. You just ignore that evidence and say it doesn't exist. Like an ostrich with his head in the ground.

Try reading this time:

For instance, Steve Peizcenik (former Deputy Secretary of State) said the CIA medically treated Bin Laden right up until 911. That's absolutely game-changing. First, why would a former Deputy Secretary of State even say that? He actively advises the Pentagon, currently. As in ongoing. The guy was the father of modern psych-warfare and counter-terror programs for the DoD. He is a genius-level, MIT-trained Doctorate. What on earth would make him risk his career and reputation over something the mainstream view as 'impossible'? Now, if he were a lone whistleblower, sure. You'd have a case. Maybe he's trying to fuck with us. But when multiple, credible people from high-level Government positions corroborate that Al Qaeda is a creation and tool of the US Government, you must not discount that. No rational person would. And yes, it's frightening as fuck. Take Sibel Edmonds (former FBI translator). She broke her Congressional gag order and said she had translated intercepts for the FBI that had the CIA running Al Qaeda right up until, and on the day of, 911. That woman had top-secret security clearance at the motherfucking FBI. These are not small fries. Take NSA program Able Danger. Mohammad Atta and another hijacker were identified and tracked months before 911 by the NSA. The Dean of the Defense Language School (spy school) in Monterrey, California went on record after 911 and said a few of the 911 hijackers trained at his school! An FBI informant was a landlord to some of the hijackers. Cowleen Rowley identified the 20th hijacker, but had her investigation shut down by FBI higher-ups who "inexplicably kept throwing up roadblocks". Nor was any action taken on the FBI Phoneix memo in '01 that warned Al Qaeda operatives were training at US flight schools. This is during the summer of '01 where Bush got the famous national security memo and NSC was keyed on Al Qaeda threats inside the US. Many of the hijackers trained at US military bases. The list goes on and on and on. Do the homework. This shit has been going on for a long, long time. The Gulf of Tonkin never happened. 50,000 American boys dead. Saddam never threw babies out of incubators in Kuwait. In fact, the US ambassador to Iraq (forget her name....April Gillespie?) reassured Saddam the US wouldn't interfere when Saddam told her he planned to invade Kuwait (setup)! Pat Tillman was fragged by his own unit. Jessica Lynch did not go down in a blaze of glory. There were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. Most of the WMD evidence was a cheap forgery the CIA could have detected in minutes, but strangely missed it! The famous "45-minute WMD" dossier was plagiarized from a PhD candidate. Just a snapshot of the lies and propaganda they sell us to justify endless wars and taking our Freedoms.
 
Quote from a_person:

All it takes is Google:

While Marfan syndrome is a lifelong disorder, the outlook has improved in recent years. As early as the 1970s, the life expectancy of a person with Marfan syndrome was two-thirds that of a person without the disease; however, with improvements in recognition and treatment, people with Marfan syndrome now have a life expectancy similar to that of the average person.
http://www.niams.nih.gov/Health_Info/Marfan_Syndrome/

LOL, as you can see from the quote above you guys fell victim to an ignorant charlatan who has no idea what he is talking about or worse - lying through his teeth. Pretty much all other conspiracies, claims, facts and evidence spewed by AJ and his buddies similarly fall apart under even minimal scrutiny.
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You're right. Piezenick is an ivy-league MD, PhD genius and a former Government and DoD insider. And you're armed with google and post on a message board. What was I thinking?

And I suppose all these so-called high-level "whistleblowers" are CIA-plants to promote some vast conspiracy that doesn't exist? That makes a ton of sense. Thanks for clearing that up for us... :D
 
Quote from achilles28:

You're right. Piezenick is an ivy-league MD, PhD genius and a former Government and DoD insider.
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What are you thinking indeed when you are shown beyond any doubt that the guy lied about OBL's disease and yet you keep insisting that his credibility is beyond the shadow of a doubt? I checked several claims, all of them were bogus. OBL did not have a deadly disease, there is zero evidence that the CIA helped 9/11 hijackers get visas, etc. Why aren't you guys doing due diligence?
 
Quote from a_person:

What are you thinking indeed when you are shown beyond any doubt that the guy lied about OBL's disease and yet you keep insisting that his credibility is beyond the shadow of a doubt? I checked several claims, all of them were bogus. OBL did not have a deadly disease, there is zero evidence that the CIA helped 9/11 hijackers get visas, etc. Why aren't you guys doing due diligence?
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WRONG AGAIN.....need to do MUCH BETTER DUE DILIGENCE!!! :eek:

The Jeddah, Saudi US office personel were ordered to get the visas for many of the "assets" used for 9/11. The 9/11 Commission took testimony for this exact situation (the CIA process of using the Jeddah office to obtain visas for their assets in training) and for national security reasons kept this info from final report.
 
Mansoor Ijaz and Sudanese President Omar Hassan al-Bashir were sitting in the shade, in Bashir’s private residence. Ijaz tried a bold move. He proposed that the Sudanese make an unconditional offer to share intelligence with Washington. Bashir insisted that he could never get such an open-ended initiative through his nation’s parliament, which was then largely controlled by hard-line Islamic clerics. And he doubted it would work anyway. (Months later, Sudan would make a plain, no-strings attached offer to share its intelligence. It didn’t work.)

“Look, you are a well-intentioned young man,” Bashir said. “But this is not the first time” that Sudan has tried to re-establish friendly ties with the United States.

Then came the bombshell. “Are you aware that I sent General Fatih Erwa to Washington to discuss bin Laden’s extradition to Saudi Arabia?”

Then, Bashir explained, Sudan made an offer to send bin Laden to the United States. Neither offer was accepted.

Ijaz was shocked. No one at the White House had mentioned these diplomatic moves to him.

Within days, Ijaz was handed carefully redacted extracts from Sudan’s intelligence reports. Ijaz says that he was shown complete copies of the passports of bin Laden’s top operatives. He saw passport numbers, copies of photographs, visas, dates of travel, plane tickets. He was also shown extensive Arabic-language reports about the movements of bin Laden’s men, the assessment of their characters, and their role in al Qaeda. (I was later shown and received copies of similar documents in Khartoum.) With this intelligence, the CIA and the FBI would have had the names and travel histories of hundreds of al Qaeda members. Many of these same names would turn up after terrorist explosions killed a score of American diplomats and embassy staffers in the 1998 bombings in Kenya and Tanzania.

Berger’s response to the detailed Sudanese intel? “Very interesting, we’ll deal with this after the [1996] elections are over.”

But nothing changed after President Clinton’s victory in the 1996 election. The quicksand of the Clinton White House swallowed up the promising policy change.

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MANY involved within govt and working for our govt have been able to see the visas and TOTAL LACK of willingness to detain OBL early on (or his network). The ASSETS were UNTOUCHABLE leading up to 9/11......NO ONE was able to stop ANY of the build up to 9/11!

CIA assets get protected and they get VISA EXPRESS! :eek:
 
Quote from a_person:

What are you thinking indeed when you are shown beyond any doubt that the guy lied about OBL's disease and yet you keep insisting that his credibility is beyond the shadow of a doubt? I checked several claims, all of them were bogus. OBL did not have a deadly disease, there is zero evidence that the CIA helped 9/11 hijackers get visas, etc. Why aren't you guys doing due diligence?
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You haven't demonstrated Piecenick lied. Not even close.

That the prognosis for Marfans Syndrome is better now than it was 40 years ago doesn't make Piecenick a liar. Far from it. Marfans Syndrome exhibits degrees of severity and attendant complications. It's entirely possible OBL was stricken with a bad case and Piecenick paraphrased that fact to an audience of laymen. Look at videos of Bin Laden - hobbled with a dialysis machine. The guy wasn't exactly in tip top shape. You're entitled to believe what you like, but the guys bio speaks for itself. You claim he's a fraud, yet he's worked at the highest levels of Government and DoD. IF he was a fraud, why would the DoD work with him? If he's a CIA-plant, why would he be instructed to spread disinformation that undermines the CIA's credibility? How does that make any sense?
 
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