AK 47 and I agree

[Trader666]

Why in the world do you think numbers pulled out of the air would solve anything?

This has already been analyzed and thought out. It's called Simpson-Bowles and we should just do it.

It's not perfect and it would be painful but it beats the shit out of arbitrary numbers.

Quote from oldtime:

we are both reasonable men, and willing to accept some compromise to work out a deal

personally, I hate taxes and think they suck out the lifeblood of the economy

but I will cave on raising the rates on the top 2% (even though I think it is a bad idea and opens up a slippery slope.)

and we both agree the so called "defense" budget is bloated. He'll give up 10%, I think we could go a lot more before we would ever feel scared. But that's a deal.

Social? Nobody in his right mind is going to cut funding for something like "The Program to Help Minority Kids Read Better" Do you really want your name on that bill?

So he has agreed to cut social spending 10% across the board, without singleing out any one program which always has a good name.

so that's what we agreed on. Keep the bush rates for 98%, raise the rates on the top 2%

cut military by 10%

cut social across the board by 10%

none of us like it, and don't even know if it will help

but it's a deal which at the moment seems reasonable, until we can come up with something better.

then both of us can get together and discuss the solvency of medicare.

 

[pspr]

AK 47 and I agree

So does a rock and a stick.

 

[PHOENIX TRADING]

Quote from kmgilroy89:

Our deficit problem is:
1. Healthcare
2. Healthcare
3. Healthcare

When are politicians in Washington going to wake up and realize this?

more like guarantees to old people.
social insecurity, medifraud, pubic pensions

did I miss anything?

 

[PHOENIX TRADING]

Quote from oldtime:

I didn't bother reading the previous post. It was too long. Everybody knows when they see your name Phoenix, it is just going to be the mindless non thinking kneejerk right wing crap. We already get enough of that on FOX tv, and the other side on msnbc.

propaganda is cool. you can twist it any way you want.

I think deep down you really care, but nobody will ever take you seriously as long as all you try to do is twist words and regurgitate propaganda.

Evidently I've been far too lenient on your sorry ass oldtime.

Perhaps that's because you're nothing but a bomb throwing troll.(who'll always take the position of devil's advocate to garner attention)

Anyway , just putting you on notice that your grace period has been canceled motherfucker.

 

[Lucrum]

Quote from oldtime:

we are both reasonable men....

Why the desperation to convince us?

 

[wjk]

Quote from BSAM:

I got a better idea, which will fix most of what is wrong in the USA.

The constitution should be altered to include two items:

1. Term limits for all whores in Washington, D.C.

2. Any member of the senate or house of representative will be hung on the steps of the capitol if found guilty of corruption.

Some pretty good ideas. I wonder if any in congress would go along with such changes.

 

[BSAM]

Quote from wjk:

Some pretty good ideas. I wonder if any in congress would go along with such changes.

The fox is guarding the hen house.
Corruption has permeated our government.
That's why our constitution no longer is effective.
There weren't enough safeguards put in place.
The people who founded the country couldn't imagine the filth that would ever be able to gain control.

 

[wjk]

Quote from BSAM:

The fox is guarding the hen house.
Corruption has permeated our government.
That's why our constitution no longer is effective.
There weren't enough safeguards put in place.
The people who founded the country couldn't imagine the filth that would ever be able to gain control.

I always felt the lack of term limits was a mistake. The founders believed that the voting booth was the term limit. Perhaps they didn't realize that voters could be bought just as politicians could.

 

[pspr]

Quote from wjk:

I always felt the lack of term limits was a mistake. The founders believed that the voting booth was the term limit. Perhaps they didn't realize that voters could be bought just as politicians could.

Exactly. But trying to get them in now is nearly impossible. No more that just a few sitting Senators and Represenatives would ever support it.

We were fortunate that we got term limits on the President when we did.

 

[Lucrum]

Quote from wjk:

I always felt the lack of term limits was a mistake. The founders believed that the voting booth was the term limit. Perhaps they didn't realize that voters could be bought just as politicians could.

In their defense back then only productive responsible citizens could vote. That being the case you wouldn't necessarily need term limits. Now of course anyone with a heart beat can vote. They don't have to be productive they don't have own property and they don't have to pay taxes they don't even have to be registered voters. Hell, even dead people and Disney characters vote these days. Hence the need for term limits now.