After using this trading simulator I'm convinced technical analysis simply doesn't work

Pointing out distinct differences exist between the algos which create synthetic and real data is likely to be very beneficial to everyone trying to gain futher insight into the nature of the algos everyone is trying to discover. Without logical application of rules TA wouldn't exist. The 1st rule is make sure you're using real data and u understand why it's necessary to use real data.

It's not synthetic data - read the description on the site. They're real charts.
 
It's not synthetic data - read the description on the site. They're real charts.
Thanks, I wasn't referring to the data on that website. BotPro uses synthetic data. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
 
First of all, technical analysis doesn't "work" -- it's a set of tools. You need to start observing indicators and how to interpret them from your experience and not reading somebody's textbook explanation of how to use them.
Well said. Very perceptive.
 
Often its those false signals that really tick me off. For example the MACD often dips over and under its signal line several times before settling into a definitive trend. Same think with Stochs, RSI, ADX, Chaikin Oscillator, Mass Index and Rate of Change. How does one trade something like that without hindsight?

Obviously, I use indicators way differently than you. You have to learn charting better than you know anything in this entire world, and then you need to completely understand what formula of whatever indicator is and what it is to do, then watch the indicator with price, in a few months, you should be able to know what the indicator will do before it does it. Indicators for me are quicker ways to examine charting. If I took the indicators off my charts, I would have to concentrate harder but have close the same results of if they were on the chart, indicators make it more simple for me, I don't have to add or subtract volume or open interest. You watch enough charts and know when there is divergences or trend, S&R, etc etc etc...

You really have to do 10,000 hours of going over past charts to know what to do in the future, pull up your sleeves and start back testing ideas.
 
Obviously, I use indicators way differently than you. You have to learn charting better than you know anything in this entire world, and then you need to completely understand what formula of whatever indicator is and what it is to do, then watch the indicator with price, in a few months, you should be able to know what the indicator will do before it does it. Indicators for me are quicker ways to examine charting. If I took the indicators off my charts, I would have to concentrate harder but have close the same results of if they were on the chart, indicators make it more simple for me, I don't have to add or subtract volume or open interest. You watch enough charts and know when there is divergences or trend, S&R, etc etc etc...

You really have to do 10,000 hours of going over past charts to know what to do in the future, pull up your sleeves and start back testing ideas.

How many indicators do you recommend to have on screen at any time?
 
It's comical when ever a poster states T/A or Fundamentals doesn't work.
The facts ARE that a professional trader will use all 4
T/A, FUND, MARKET TONE, EVENTS
And that's all there is to this gig nothing more, it's not complicated rocket science.
Unfortunately this topic gets rehashed 10's if not hundred's of times, it should be moderated much more strict to not allow wallow and pave a path for "elite" based topics. What a waste of time over and over. My 2 cents and yes I will stop reading these pathetic arguments.
I will say I thought 2016 would be change in the quality of content for EliteTrader, obviously not.
 
That is a fun game.

It seems like you can only trade off one price based on the daily chart, whereas live you can close out mid day, or close half your position, etc.

Anyway the initial post seems to indicate that technical analysis should always provide an answer of what you should be doing but I would argue quite often you should be doing nothing. So in that game there is lots of pressing "time-lapse" while flat, waiting for something to set up.

Even then, technical analysis doesn't tell you what WILL happen, it tells you what might or is most likely to happen. This is where risk management comes in: when wrong, cut.

I think these are things many traders struggle with for a long time.

Be patient, spend a lot of time flat, wait for a set up, and when you do enter, cut ASAP when the set up is invalidated.

Easier said than done.

How many times have I wished there was a "time-lapse" button for the live market!
 
http://chartgame.com/

(Edit: The game in the link above loads up historical data of real stocks. You trade at a particular snapshot in time of the stock's performance.)

I don't mean to cause any offence to those who frequently use it here, but things I've learnt after having a play with this for several hours:

- Short/long term crossovers don't work unless you just use it to buy/hold for the long run. Even then, plenty of whiplashes undo your gains....
- Support/Resistance works sometimes but not most of the time..
- Chart patterns rarely work...
- MACD, RSI and ADX just gives too many false signals...
- Buy/hold wins everytime if you're "lucky" to hang on to a good stock....

Mind you this is just a simulator. If it were actual trading I would have probably lost my account several times over + broker fees.

Whether its years of experience staring at charts and eventually "seeing the light" or just being lucky every time, it leads me to wonder how some people find success using TA at all....

Now I still want to believe TA works and that its probably me not using it properly. But after this, kind of wondering what strategies there are left that give one the "edge" after months/years of experience...

imo you have not taken onboard the true competition nature of trading. TA is a set of tools. You seem to have applied the tools in the 'mainstream' way and found they dont work. This is exactly the result you should expect.
 
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