I'm traveling back in time, trying to remember if I was ever this green.
Honest to god... I don't think I ever was.
After a reverse split 1-5 will the stock price track at a x 5 pace compared to before the split?
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Honest to god... I don't think I ever was.
I'm traveling back in time, trying to remember if I was ever this green.
Honest to god... I don't think I ever was.
Vanz, yes, even YOU were young once. Remember? Just look up the Motels, Suddenly Last Summer.
I'm traveling back in time, trying to remember if I was ever this green.
Honest to god... I don't think I ever was.
I don't think you are grasping the concept here. All I'm asking about is the affect identical market conditions would have on price action following a 1-5 reverse split.
Here it is for you to answer if you're so knowledgeable:
If a gold ETF that tracks the price of gold via futures contracts or whatever was $50 when gold was $1000
then after a reverse split 1-5 when gold reaches $1000 again then what price will the gold ETF be?
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The question doesn't make any sense.
If the stock was $50, and it did a 1:5 reverse split... it's not a $10 stock. It's a $250 stock. If gold stays at or below $1000, the stock is not going above $250.
I think I understand what you're trying to ask however.
If there's a 1 to 1 correlation between your stock (pre-reverse split) and gold, then yes after a 1:5 reverse split, again.... assuming its a 100% pure-play (pre- split)and not some leveraged instrument that decays overtime... but a pure 1 to 1 pure-play and the shares outstanding aren't added to after the reverse split... yes it would move 5X the amount of gold post split.
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Yes.
10,000 shares of ETF is now trading @ $4
1-5 reverse split (if today) ---> 2000 shares @ $20
ETF was $30 (pre-split) when gold was at its 52 week high.
When gold returns to 52 week high, ETF will be $150
(2000 * $130 profit = $260,000)
Compare this to if there was no 1-5 reverse split:
(10,000 * $26 profit = $260,000)
So the reverse split will not affect my potential profits. It's important because I want to know what kind of Lamborghini I can get.
Agreed...reverse splits readily get shorted right back down to the pre-split price. I think they are mostly done to jack retail who loaded up on shares at the bottom. It's like the opposite reason for a reverse split where it is done to help retail get in...and readily returns right back up to the pre-split price. Anyway those days are over it seems because of fractional shares.
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Another way to look at this is like this... using the PE ratio.
When a stock, any stock, does a reverse split, in theory its price/earnings ratio doesn't change.
So say a stock has traded at a PE between 9 and 11 forever. Some actually do lol.
Now lets say the company has 5M shares outstanding and it earns $2/share annually (or $10M).... it's a $20 stock.
After the split There's 1M shares out and its a $100 stock. That $10M in profit, instead of being 2$/share in profit, it's now $10/share right?
Again this is hypothetical... but lets now say the company has a new widget that will generate $250M to the earnings annually into perpetuity--- So $10.25 in earnings. At a PE of 10, the stock would trade at $102.50.
Pre-split however, that $250M has to be divided by 5M shares outstanding... so $0.05/share. $2.05 X 10PE = a $20.50 trade price.
And note, as I said, this example lives in a vacuum regarding other changes in the company's revenues, margins, growth rates etc. But hopefully you get the idea.
Now if you are talking about a 3X ultra ticker that some trade and some (erroneously) think they can buy and hold..... all bets off. Totally different animal. The reason I throw that in is because these things do reverse splits all the time and I suspect that is what you're looking at. Like I said, a specific ticker would help immensely. Other than that, I didn't mean to offend you with my "green" remark.
When a stock, any stock, does a reverse split, in theory its price/earnings ratio doesn't change.
So say a stock has traded at a PE between 9 and 11 forever. Some actually do lol.
Now lets say the company has 5M shares outstanding and it earns $2/share annually (or $10M).... it's a $20 stock.
After the split There's 1M shares out and its a $100 stock. That $10M in profit, instead of being 2$/share in profit, it's now $10/share right?
Again this is hypothetical... but lets now say the company has a new widget that will generate $250M to the earnings annually into perpetuity--- So $10.25 in earnings. At a PE of 10, the stock would trade at $102.50.
Pre-split however, that $250M has to be divided by 5M shares outstanding... so $0.05/share. $2.05 X 10PE = a $20.50 trade price.
And note, as I said, this example lives in a vacuum regarding other changes in the company's revenues, margins, growth rates etc. But hopefully you get the idea.
Now if you are talking about a 3X ultra ticker that some trade and some (erroneously) think they can buy and hold..... all bets off. Totally different animal. The reason I throw that in is because these things do reverse splits all the time and I suspect that is what you're looking at. Like I said, a specific ticker would help immensely. Other than that, I didn't mean to offend you with my "green" remark.
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