Advice on how I should Raise Trading Capital?

Honesty is everything as the truth is all that matters...so here is some brutal, embarrassing honesty:

Long story short...my education as a trader has cost me ~$140k...And I absolutely do not have anymore to lose. My primary choice for gambling was long options believing that "it has to happen"...but it never did and I absolutely deserved to learn that lesson. If it wasn't for options I would have still lost the same amount of money...the problem was obviously me as the driver, not the trading vehicle.

After a 6 month break to really reflect on my failures I decided to get away from options and focus on futures (for a number of reasons not relevant to this thread). I've always been intimidated/afraid of futures trading but drawn to them for whatever reason. After some success paper trading I decided to go live trading micros...actually doing the things you are supposed to do...and I am profitable.

Although this thread is slightly premature based on my skills...the time is coming and I should probably get started with raising capital sooner rather than later.

Looking for some genuine advice on what to do here. I am 37 yo male, I do not have a job and really really do not want to go back to the work place, (haven't worked since 2018). I am really fortunate in that I own a decent house and a profitable small business with zero debt...but my lifestyle has to be extremely frugal due to very low income. Too frugal in fact.

So where would you look for trading capital in this situation? I have about $25k in an IRA I could cash out, probably another $20k in physical goods I could let go of with reluctance...but that's about it.

- Job is most obvious choice, unfortunately.
- Prop firm worth it? would I have to trade their specific way? would they even be interested?
- Take out a loan? If I am profitable maybe it would be worth taking out a cash loan of some sort.

Just looking for some advice,

thanks ET.





By now you've tried the rest. Its time now to try the best, namely The Supernatural. You don't have to believe in it, costs you nothing to just do it.

Quiet time alone, look skyward and release the problem to WHOEVER is up there generic name is God - with your request. Then sit back and go about life - and wait patiently!

Nobody at ET knows you better than you yourself. But The Supernatural knows everything about you for you are a part of HIM.

You might discover to your joy that all the while while you were spending pages asking for help here at ET, not a put down of this action, but The SuperNatural was shedding a tear in dismay as to when you would give the load to HIM TO CARRY for a bit


You can say this to HIM:

To get me stronger as a person YOU put the load on me and make me bear the pain so I can get stronger. YOu do this to me very often.

Turn it around on HIM now by saying, "I've got nothing left, all reserves of power are gone, I'm putting load back on YOU!"


Its never up to me but I already put in my request for HIM to help you.
 
By now you've tried the rest. Its time now to try the best, namely The Supernatural. You don't have to believe in it, costs you nothing to just do it.

Quiet time alone, look skyward and release the problem to WHOEVER is up there generic name is God - with your request. Then sit back and go about life - and wait patiently!

Nobody at ET knows you better than you yourself. But The Supernatural knows everything about you for you are a part of HIM.

You might discover to your joy that all the while while you were spending pages asking for help here at ET, not a put down of this action, but The SuperNatural was shedding a tear in dismay as to when you would give the load to HIM TO CARRY for a bit


You can say this to HIM:

To get me stronger as a person YOU put the load on me and make me bear the pain so I can get stronger. YOu do this to me very often.

Turn it around on HIM now by saying, "I've got nothing left, all reserves of power are gone, I'm putting load back on YOU!"


Its never up to me but I already put in my request for HIM to help you.
You prayed for me?
 
So everyone should be pulling out almost $2 million a year from the ES with ease?

In reality hardly anyone can do it, prices are pretty random and choppy most of the time. Lots of losing trades to be expected as well as profitable ones.

In hindsight it always looks so easy, but when the next bar hasn't printed yet, it is not so easy to predict what color it will be.

If you read my prior post, I said 10 years is likely a good estimate for how long it would take a retail amateur to have a fighting chance in the markets. I also said that day trading can be very lucrative for a select few, but not for the many.

Price is clearly not moving randomly. Although of course there are times where it’s less predictable and more risky than others. A good trader recognizes this and stays out of the market during those times.

My post was only meant to illustrate that it’s not lack of trading capital that’s the problem, but lack of skills or a sufficient methodology.
 
The darkest hour is just before dawn.

This is interesting because according to this article you can be profitable with basic 200 ma strategy if you know when to turn on/off (start/stop) trading.
https://www.vrdnation.com/what-is-equity-curve-trading-?+best+money+management+tool+in+trading
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Maybe you could stop trading at 15% acct maxDD. Go back to the drawing board and think of ways to improve the system and put it on demo. But at what %gain in the demo acct, do you go live again?
Is crossing above the moving average of the equity curve the only way?
 
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Strangles- when managed make $$$$$££££€€€€€€ whatever. Price Headley's formula- when premium triples on one side you close that side out. What you do after that is up to you. Trade monthly using sensible sizing, and be patient. Also Price Headley: I have made more money sitting on my hands than I have trading. Sometimes gut is your best guide-and if it doesn't feel right, don't trade. I warned everyone else about Covid and took a hit, because I'm a rotten trader.
 
Fully agree and am glad you are capable of automating the process.I am not,which is why I reccomended Orats.It scans and backtests..
Yeah, nowadays programming is a big plus for automating the process via broker API.
Of course you can rent a programmer, but it's not that cheap, unless you find a relatively cheap & good one in some developing countries...

What percent wide are your spreads,how far out and apx deltas..
The bigger the distance of strikes the better, of course. Currently I don't make use of the greeks,
but intend to add some of them later into the game.
I'm instead using some other self-made percentages that are similar for example to delta.

Ill backtest spreads vs nude options if you like..
I'm a little bit handicapped b/c I'm using a cash acct. Naked shorting is not possible,
only so called covered- or cash-secured- shortings are possible.
I'm using the latter one, as it's easier to do.
 
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If you read my prior post, I said 10 years is likely a good estimate for how long it would take a retail amateur to have a fighting chance in the markets.

Longevity provides little advantage in this business. Vast majority, like 99%, will not be able to trade the ES profitably even after 10 years, not enough to make a living at it anyway.
 
How come?

I have seen smart people attempt short term trading for 10 years, they never made any money at it.

But most people have the sense to quit early, within a few months or a few years, they know if they spent 10 years they would just be wasting time.

They are just not cut out for it, no matter how hard they try.

Even if you have have an edge and patience to wait for signals, you still have to be able to take many losses in a row and be able to trade large size at some point, not many people have the emotional makeup to do those things consistently, day after day for year after year.

1) Develop a profitable game plan
2) Have the patience and discipline to wait for planned setups, then actually pull the trigger and then honour your stop loss.
3) Not get angry and upset about the inevitable losses (to the point you screw up your next trade)
4) And when things are going well to be able to trade larger size without fear

Most people are not even able to do step 1), which isn't even the hardest thing about trading.
 
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