Advice on buying some Pistols

Quote from LEAPup:

When I was a Police Officer paying my way through College, I was involved in a shooting. "Back then," we were issued Winchester Black Talons for our Glock 21 .45

The Author says that hollow point rounds stay in the person, and that wasn't the case in this incident, but I do agree with what he's trying to say. I certainly agree with: "Save the 230 grain ball (FMJ) loads for practice; carry FMJ ammo only if you must because your gun jams with hollowpoints. The Llama, Federal Ordnance, AMT, and Auto-Ordnance M1911A1 copies often jam with anything except 230 grain ball. Never compromise when it comes to reliability: if your gun only feeds ball, then ball is what you carry."

These days, I carry Winchester Ranger 230 grain in my Kimber as they're the "Black Talon" rounds without the black paint. I've seen what they can do, and they do work... One thing the Author really needs to point out imo is SHOT PLACEMENT. That's THE single most important factor for stopping the fight quickly.

The .45 is the absolute best combat round imo that has ever been produced for CQB, I've actually used it, and is about all I carry. I'll have to laugh a little though as every police department in my area is carrying either .40S&W or .45ACP with up to four magazines vs. two spares when I did the job. When I went through the State Police Academy, and for the first eight months out, we still carried the .357 Magnum before transitioning over to the .45. At that time, we had six rounds ready, and two hks speedloaders on duty belt (12rounds) that was it. That was all we had... Guess I'm giving away my age? :( lol

There's a small town officer in my area who likes a wheelgun, and still carries a S&W 4" 686 .357 Magnum and two speed loaders. He's the unlucky guy who over the last 21 years has shot three people. All three died on the scene. The last time I spoke with him at the range, we talked about shot placement, and both agree that it's 100% about where you put the rounds vs. what you're carrying. We both fight over the .45 and .357 mag to a degree, :D but we at least agree on the above.
Interesting.

I believe the author does stress shot placement in that article. And while he thinks highly of the .45 and carries one himself he hinted that the .357 might be a marginally better self defense round.

From one of the other links I posted earlier, the average number of rounds fired in a close quarter situation is 2.6, and about the only time reloading (let alone speed reloading) was an issue was during incidents involving a siege or suppressive fire. Which most armed civilians would not get involved with obviously.
 
Quote from Lucrum:

Interesting.

I believe the author does stress shot placement in that article. And while he thinks highly of the .45 and carries one himself he hinted that the .357 might be a marginally better self defense round.

From one of the other links I posted earlier, the average number of rounds fired in a close quarter situation is 2.6, and about the only time reloading (let alone speed reloading) was an issue was during incidents involving a siege or suppressive fire. Which most armed civilians would not get involved with obviously.

I'll say the .45 and .357 Magnum are still on the top of my list for CQB rounds. I love shooting the .500 S&W Magnum, but it's for Kodiak bears, not people. Lol

Btw, I saw where you wanted to shoot over the weekend. Sounds like you live in CA, and drive to the desert to shoot? If you're ever on the east coast, pm me. I love the smell of gunpowder in the mornings!:) :D I want to get out the AR-15, AK, and my full auto Thompson that accepts the 50 round drums. Yes, I paid a "little bit" for the Thompson:eek: :( but it's FUN, FUN, FUN! I also have two 1911's that were customized by one of the best USMC armorers I have ever met. At 25 yards, you can cover the group with a silver dollar.:)
 
Quote from LEAPup:

I'll say the .45 and .357 Magnum are still on the top of my list for CQB rounds. I love shooting the .500 S&W Magnum, but it's for Kodiak bears, not people. Lol

Btw, I saw where you wanted to shoot over the weekend. Sounds like you live in CA, and drive to the desert to shoot? If you're ever on the east coast, pm me. I love the smell of gunpowder in the mornings!:) :D I want to get out the AR-15, AK, and my full auto Thompson that accepts the 50 round drums. Yes, I paid a "little bit" for the Thompson:eek: :( but it's FUN, FUN, FUN! I also have two 1911's that were customized by one of the best USMC armorers I have ever met. At 25 yards, you can cover the group with a silver dollar.:)
Actually I live outside of Atlanta. I'll be in Vegas Thursday through Sunday. I do have a trip to Connecticut next month.
 
44 mag w/wad cutters. the most powerful handgun in the World. Blow your head clean off..do you feel lucky..well do ya..punk!

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Quote from LEAPup:

...These days, I carry Winchester Ranger 230 grain in my Kimber as they're the "Black Talon" rounds without the black paint.
Hey LEAPup I remember the Black Talons, nasty little buggers :). The modern day version, without the black coating, is the Winchester Ranger Bonded PDX1 (available in 9mm, .38 Special, .40 S&W, and .45 ACP) and it's the primary service round used by the FBI.
 
I do believe that where there is a choice only between cowardice and violence, I would advise violence. Thus when my eldest son asked me what he should have done had he been present when I was almost fatally assaulted in 1908 [by an Indian extremist opposed to Gandhi's agreement with Smuts], whether he should have run away and seen me killed or whether he should have used his physical force which he could and wanted to use, and defend me, I told him it was his duty to defend me even by using violence. Hence it was that I took part in the Boer War, the so-called Zulu Rebellion and [World War I]. Hence also do I advocate training in arms for those who believe in the method of violence. I would rather have India resort to arms in order to defend her honor than that she should in a cowardly manner become or remain a helpless witness to her own dishonor. — Mohandas K. Gandhi, Young India, August 11, 1920
 
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44 mag w/wad cutters. the most powerful handgun in the World. Blow your head clean off..do you feel lucky..well do ya..punk!

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This is badass. You should get this gun with that suit. You have to make the belt match the gun's finish.
 
I was in a home invasion when young, friend's dad was shot.
Can't imagine your friend's experience seeing that, I would rather fight and be killed than to go through something like that.

Dog number one, man's best friend.

I like pitbulls. Female, males protect property, females protect YOU.
Any terrier is a handful and they are fast, and
you can get them to be pretty mean pretty easily.

Gun. Hammerless revolver for concealment.
Shotgun good loaded with light shot so it doesn't go through light drywall,
and kill your friends, family etc.
Semi auto with a 30 round clip if you can't shoot good.

None of this means anything if you are not aware of your surroundings at all times.
 
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