ADD/ADHD traders

Quote from FortuneTeller:

My son was ADHD in elementary school. Took ritalin for 2 years. The teachers said he was hyper at school and we already knew he was hyper at home. He is still a little hyper without the medication but has great focus on his studies at school as he has been getting almost all A's at school the last 3 years. So don't think he will have to take the medication for life. If he is focusing at school and getting good grades then he probably doesn't need any medication unless the teachers think he needs it.

Thank you for your input.
 
Quote from Ghost of Cutten:

The problem is that makes them more productive in a conventional sense, and less productive in the specialized sense that ADD people are productive.

It's great if she wants to focus at work and in school. Crap if she wants to become a tech startup pioneer, or an adventurer, or any other kind of high focus creative activity.

Since even the best adjusted, most medicated, permanently in therapy ADDer will NEVER be anywhere near as productive at normal tasks as the average diligent/responsible type of person, and since diligent/responsible people are hopeless at tasks which ADD people thrive on, then arguably this is the worst thing you could do. It's like taking an actuary and training them as a fighter pilot, giving them regular doses of amphetamines to hype them up for combat.

Natural selection did not create a significant minority of the population with ADD traits for no reason. They survive and thrive (in the right environment) because it's an adaptive advantage. Have you ever hung around racing drivers, fighter pilots, entrepreneurs, active traders etc. They are rubbish at responsible tasks and pen pushing. But could you imagine the disaster that would ensue if you got rid of them and replaced them with pen-pushers?

It's like punishing kids for fighting. If someone is violent, they are violent. You cannot make them into a passive wimp-boy. Either you channel their inherent aggression, into something suitable like front line soldiering, combat/contact sports, riot squad cop, prison guard or whatever, or you try and teach them sewing and knitting and watch as it goes spectacularly wrong.

The Art of Money Getting by P.T. Barnum (Chp. 2)

The safest plan, and the one most sure of success for the young man starting in life, is to select the vocation which is most congenial to his tastes. Parents and guardians are often quite too negligent in regard to this. It is very common for a father to say, for example: "I have five boys. I will make Billy a clergyman; John a lawyer; Tom a doctor, and Dick a farmer." He then goes into town and looks about to see what he will do with Sammy. He returns home and says "Sammy, I see watch-making is a nice, genteel business; I think I will make you a goldsmith." He does this, regardless of Sam's natural inclinations, or genius.

We are all, no doubt, born for a wise purpose. There is as much diversity in our brains as in our countenances. Some are born natural mechanics, while some have great aversion to machinery. Let a dozen boys of ten years get together, and you will soon observe two or three are "whittling" out some ingenious device; working with locks or complicated machinery. When they were but five years old, their father could find no toy to please them like a puzzle. They are natural mechanics; but the other eight or nine boys have different aptitudes. I belong to the latter class; I never had the slightest love for mechanism; on the contrary, I have a sort of abhorrence for complicated machinery. I never had ingenuity enough to whittle a cider tap so it would not leak. I never could make a pen that I could write with, or understand the principle of a steam engine. If a man was to take such a boy as I was, and attempt to make a watchmaker of him, the boy might, after an apprenticeship of five or seven years, be able to take apart and put together a watch; but all through life he would be working up hill and seizing every excuse for leaving his work and idling away his time. Watchmaking is repulsive to him.

Unless a man enters upon the vocation intended for him by nature, and best suited to his peculiar genius, he cannot succeed. I am glad to believe that the majority of persons do find their right vocation. Yet we see many who have mistaken their calling, from the blacksmith up (or down) to the clergyman. You will see, for instance, that extraordinary linguist the "learned blacksmith," who ought to have been a teacher of languages; and you may have seen lawyers, doctors and clergymen who were better fitted by nature for the anvil or the lapstone.
 
Quote from atticus:

FWIW, I use the DAVID PAL more frequently as it's more portable, but I give a slight edge to the programs on the PR-2X.
how often does this get used and how well does it work, thinking about getting one for the daughter,migraines
 
Quote from ammo:

how often does this get used and how well does it work, thinking about getting one for the daughter,migraines

I use it daily. I have ADD and so do two of my kids; both of which use the machine daily as well. I also suffer from migraines. Be sure to start her off no higher than 30% light intensity until she acclimates.

I am big proponent of entraining techniques and feel these are the best units for the majority of users. Easy to use and portable. Easy to program as well.

I'll send a link via PM.
 
Quote from atticus:

I use it daily. I have ADD and so do two of my kids; both of which use the machine daily as well. I also suffer from migraines. Be sure to start her off no higher than 30% light intensity until she acclimates.

I am big proponent of entraining techniques and feel these are the best units for the majority of users. Easy to use and portable. Easy to program as well.

I'll send a link via PM.

send me the link as well. I have never heard of this. Thanks
 
Quote from FortuneTeller:
And you have no evidence that 75% of people taking drugs don't need them.
Lots of hard evidence that the numbers of ADHD diagnoses are far off the real numbers.

Just one link:
http://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...serid=10&md5=12d0a7548beefb50381974ac51f5124f
(Up to one million children falsely diagnosed in the US with ADHD. Up to 500 million USD spent unnecessarily for drugs.)

Quote from FortuneTeller:
Believe me, parents take their kids to the doctor to seek help.
Right.
The bad thing is that many people are looking for quick and easy solutions (very much like in trading).
That means to most: Not having to put too much effort into it (e.g. take pills, not think about changes in behaviour).

Also many people think that if they discover that some behaviour has to be changed this implies that they made mistakes or did wrong otherwise.
If you get a diagnose and people tell you (or your kid) to take pills it's clearly not "your fault" that something went wrong.

Just to be clear:
I think behaviour or situational problems are nobodys fault.
They are simply problems that have to be solved (but with the appropriate means).


(I studied medicine and I am working in the field of clinical psychotherapy for like 20 years.)

Btw ADHD diagnoses for adults are even more subject to discussions. It's highly questionable whether these disorders exist in any bigger number in adults.
Certainly people trading, leading a somewhat ordered daily life with family and job and being able to engage in discussions like the one that is going on here are fortunately not affected by the disorder.
 
Quote from FortuneTeller:

Believe me, parents take their kids to the doctor to seek help. They don't need to be "scared" into giving their kids ritalin or whatever. And you have no evidence that 75% of people taking drugs don't need them. Unless you are talking about illegal street drugs of course. Then the figure is 100%.

Drugging makes a person with ADHD appear more normal. For some, the drugs, while providing an appearance of a calmer personality, also takes away the sharpness of mind. There are others who seem helped w/o losing much of their sharpness. These drugs help a person stay focus on a tedious task to become a better cog in the wheel.
 
your blanket statement about the people in this discussion is sad,brain scans have proven that add/adhd is real and if you are using a clinical psychotherapy field guy who's been in the business for like 20 years and he gives you a diagnosis without a brain scan,he's probably a quack,most doctors prescribe,collect a fee, and ask you to come back ,if the meds don't work, they give you another,charging you for trial and error on your body is sadly standard practice in the medical profession,you end up at another doctor and he tries 3 other meds,it's amazing at the confidence the public holds in the medical,pharmaceutical fields
 

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Brain scan as a confirmation for ADHD. I also know ADHD can still be real in adults, though many adults learn to manage it well enough and selected occupations that suit them. For example, I know I cannot do regular accounting work for a livelihood, even if I acquire accounting knowledge. I stopped trading stocks or options except in my IRA as I was not able to keep it straight during tax time. Futures I get a clean broker statement for tax purpose.
 
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