ADD/ADHD traders

[atticus]

FWIW, I use the DAVID PAL more frequently as it's more portable, but I give a slight edge to the programs on the PR-2X.

 

[Rearden Metal]

Quote from atticus:

Absolutely, you dial the freq response you're looking for in the product. The autopilot program is great as well. I have an old Mind Gear PR-2X which is an excellent unit, albeit a bit large.

Check the response graphs: http://www.mind-gear.com/progs.htm

Cool, I'm in. Will let you know how it goes.

Redneck, thanks for your input too. I think I'll start off with that 'David PAL' unit, since it looks like the simplest one/most suitable for beginners...

 

[Ghost of Cutten]

Quote from southbeach4me:

My neighbor is a neurologist and his 19 yo daughter takes it, she has dramatically improved her ability to focus at work and in school. The fact that you, for some reason, are against long term use of medication should have absolutely no bearing on whats best for him. You are not a doctor.

I know a few adults that take ADHD medication for life bcuz its the only way they can be truly productive in life. Ppl with ADHD have brains wired differently and they're brains will ALWAYS be like that. So pleeez, with all due respect to you as a father, for the sake of your son, keep your personal opinions out of it , and let the specialists(neurologists) treat him with what will help him lead a more focused, productive life.........even if it means him taking meds for the rest of his life.

The problem is that makes them more productive in a conventional sense, and less productive in the specialized sense that ADD people are productive.

It's great if she wants to focus at work and in school. Crap if she wants to become a tech startup pioneer, or an adventurer, or any other kind of high focus creative activity.

Since even the best adjusted, most medicated, permanently in therapy ADDer will NEVER be anywhere near as productive at normal tasks as the average diligent/responsible type of person, and since diligent/responsible people are hopeless at tasks which ADD people thrive on, then arguably this is the worst thing you could do. It's like taking an actuary and training them as a fighter pilot, giving them regular doses of amphetamines to hype them up for combat.

Natural selection did not create a significant minority of the population with ADD traits for no reason. They survive and thrive (in the right environment) because it's an adaptive advantage. Have you ever hung around racing drivers, fighter pilots, entrepreneurs, active traders etc. They are rubbish at responsible tasks and pen pushing. But could you imagine the disaster that would ensue if you got rid of them and replaced them with pen-pushers?

It's like punishing kids for fighting. If someone is violent, they are violent. You cannot make them into a passive wimp-boy. Either you channel their inherent aggression, into something suitable like front line soldiering, combat/contact sports, riot squad cop, prison guard or whatever, or you try and teach them sewing and knitting and watch as it goes spectacularly wrong.

 

[orl]

Quote from Ghost of Cutten:

The problem is that makes them more productive in a conventional sense, and less productive in the specialized sense that ADD people are productive.

Since even the best adjusted, most medicated, permanently in therapy ADDer will NEVER be anywhere near as productive at normal tasks as the average diligent/responsible type of person, and since diligent/responsible people are hopeless at tasks which ADD people thrive on, then arguably this is the worst thing you could do. It's like taking an actuary and training them as a fighter pilot, giving them regular doses of amphetamines to hype them up for combat.

Exactly! But people's quest for conformity is not to be underestimated.

 

[AK100]

The drug companies are playing a great money game (for them) with ADD. I reckon at least 75% of people taking the drugs don't need them.

But there's no money in that. Better to convince people they've got a problem and of course SCARE them and their parents to boot.

 

[FortuneTeller]

Quote from Ghost of Cutten:

If someone is violent, they are violent. You cannot make them into a passive wimp-boy. Either you channel their inherent aggression, into something suitable like front line soldiering, combat/contact sports, riot squad cop, prison guard or whatever, or you try and teach them sewing and knitting and watch as it goes spectacularly wrong.

What does being violent have to do with ADD/ADHD?

 

[FortuneTeller]

Quote from AK100:

The drug companies are playing a great money game (for them) with ADD. I reckon at least 75% of people taking the drugs don't need them.

But there's no money in that. Better to convince people they've got a problem and of course SCARE them and their parents to boot.

Believe me, parents take their kids to the doctor to seek help. They don't need to be "scared" into giving their kids ritalin or whatever. And you have no evidence that 75% of people taking drugs don't need them. Unless you are talking about illegal street drugs of course. Then the figure is 100%.

 

[FortuneTeller]

Quote from Ghost of Cutten:


Natural selection did not create a significant minority of the population with ADD traits for no reason.

ADD was created? More like a malfunction/ disorder of the brain if you ask me. JMHO.

 

[FortuneTeller]

Quote from Ghost of Cutten:


It's great if she wants to focus at work and in school. Crap if she wants to become a tech startup pioneer, or an adventurer, or any other kind of high focus creative activity.

Most kids do want or need to focus at school. The odds are low at becoming a tech startup pioneer, or an adventurer or whatever. As far as the other jobs you mention, not most want to be a prison guard, squad cop or whatever you mentioned.

And it's not like ritalin or whatever prevents you from doing such. It isn't a lobotomy as far as I can tell.

 

[Rearden Metal]

Quote from FortuneTeller:

Believe me, parents take their kids to the doctor to seek help. They don't need to be "scared" into giving their kids ritalin or whatever. And you have no evidence that 75% of people taking drugs don't need them. Unless you are talking about illegal street drugs of course. Then the figure is 100%.

Ok, wild guess here: Your Myers-Briggs type ends in the letter 'J', doesn't it?