adaptive moving average

I looked carefully, but my problem is a very basic one - how do I turn a function into a signal? Excuse my ignorance.
 
Quote from travis:

I looked carefully, but my problem is a very basic one - how do I turn a function into a signal? Excuse my ignorance.

If you mean an entry or exit signal then you have to create a strategy. In TS2K you have to create a signal using powereditor and then add the signals into a strategy. In TS6/7 you have to
create a strategy document and then add the signals code which
calls the functions straight into the strategy.

Look in the easylanguage help/documentation for more detailed info.
 
Quote from laziz314159:


I seem to remember a post from Nitro, saying he didn't get much out of JMA. You may not either. But, if you're trading for a living
right now, what's $250 to find another way of looking at things?

Couldn't hurt..
I agree. However, you must remember that anything you buy by way of indicators or systems will as an immediate effect reduce your trading returns, while the possibility of boosting them using what you purchased by the amount invested is considerably much lower. Basically, the more you buy, the less you make.

I looked at the Jurik tools website (btw: www.jurikres.com) -

Looks a bit like snake oil. I don't mean to be derogatory, but having an amateurish website explaining loudly what snake oil is can easily be interpreted as reverse psychology to make you (the potential purchaser) think that they're not. This is more often than not the case.

I only looked at the jurik sample charts for a few seconds and could see with my bare eyes that the 'smooth' indicators (JMA and the RSI replacement) are laggy. Further verification with a window (as a ruler on the screen) seemed to confirm that.

Maybe I'm wrong, but if I have the choice between a late or a jagged signal, I'd take the jagged one any day. I don't need a 'smooth indicator' function. My brain does that for me.

Anybody can create smoother indicators. Seriously. Anything from using OHLC/4 (instead of close bar) to simply increasing the periodicity (i.e. from 10 to 12) can do this for you.

I think the latter is pretty much what jurik has done. The signal's smoother, but considerably later on the EMA/RSI substitutes.


Anybody out there who thinks I'm wrong, please feel free to flame me.


~Scientist.
 
Quote from Splat:

In TS2K you have to create a signal using powereditor and then add the signals into a strategy.

Yes, so far so good - when I have the signal, I know how to use that for the strategy. But the problem is how do I turn the function into a signal?

I know I have to read the manual, but it's easier for me to write 5 posts on a forum, than to find the place where the manual explains it.
 
Quote from travis:



Yes, so far so good - when I have the signal, I know how to use that for the strategy. But the problem is how do I turn the function into a signal?

I know I have to read the manual, but it's easier for me to write 5 posts on a forum, than to find the place where the manual explains it.

I think you have misunderstood. That is another reason you
should go back to basics and read the manual.
The function will return you a value based upon the inputs to the
function, which is the length you are looking at for your moving
average. It is then upto *you* to generate the signal using the
Sell and Buy keywords to generate the signal based on your
trading strategy (I am not referring to the tradestation strategy
meaning here).
 
Quote from nitro:


Sean,

Many people go thru this phase. They watch a market like the ES and wonder HOW THE HELL CAN ANYONE TRADE THIS THING?
Well, very few people can... Most lack discipline and flop out before they even take off. If you can't sit through a trade or sit on your hands, don't trade. But their worst mistake is that they buy so many hokuspokus indicators, systems & courses that they have no money left to buy stocks to train on. So their max out their account with futures. I know it sounds silly, but it amazes me how many people do it.
They try many things. They even believe that some computer software will allow them to gain an edge such that if this deep and powerful technology is thrown at the market, that will seperate the "signal" from the noise.
Precisely. For example MESA is IMHO nothing but a load of B.S scientism to try to accurately explain or predict cycles. Nobody can. Can I repeat that? NOBODY.

Now, this is the secret, folks (oh no - yes!) - Systems / software can simply not sure-fire predict cycles because markets have nothing to do with what makes sense. Markets don't go up or down because that's what they're worth. They move because of what people THINK. They're entirely about psychology. Because humans tend to be emotional rather than rational, they create opportunities of market extremes caused by greed/fear. This is what causes cycles. Nothing else.
First - this is the reason why the 'efficient market theory' is complete nonsense. The markets are rarely efficient since they're not traded by computers but humans.
Second - you can forget all about software now - Sit in front of a screen for a few days watching a volatile NASDAQ issue

- Sit there until you get a feeling for how silly (emotional) traders are. They will keep selling when the price crashes. That's when I buy to relieve those poor fearful bunnies from their positions.(provided there's support near, anyway)

-Then, for peculiar reasons, they will also keep buying(!) when the price skyrockets "overextends". That's when I blow my load into that greedy crowd. Sell while the trend is hot :D
Often I sell double the position I bought, creating a straight stop-reverse with the same equity. This works both long and short.

Sean, save yourself a lot of time. Learn to trade by exposing the neural net in your head to the market. Do this by getting training at a professional trading firm. Trust me, this stuff that these people sell makes ZERO difference - THINK MAN, why the hell sell it if gives you an edge? Everything you need to be successful as a trader comes with a basic trading package.

There are traders that can make money by starting at QUOTE SCREENS SEAN - no charts, no indicators, and for Gods sakes no MESA!

Understand how that can be and you will be a trader.

nitro
you so speak my language man. dog pile on the rabbit.
nitro, U have my full respect - you're tha man. :cool:

HAND
~Scientist
 
Quote from Splat:

The function will return you a value based upon the inputs to the function, which is the length you are looking at for your moving average. It is then upto *you* to generate the signal using the Sell and Buy keywords to generate the signal based on your trading strategy (I am not referring to the tradestation strategy meaning here).

Thank you, Splat, I worked on it, despite the formula which was not very friendly, and I made it happen. Profit has improved. Now I will look for a bunch of amas and try them all.
 
Quote from nitro:


...

They try many things. They even believe that some computer software will allow them to gain an edge such that if this deep and powerful technology is thrown at the market, that will seperate the "signal" from the noise.

...


There are traders that can make money by starting at QUOTE SCREENS SEAN - no charts, no indicators, and for Gods sakes no MESA!

Understand how that can be and you will be a trader.

nitro


This is the voice of experience: take the advice. I've been in this game a long time as well and I can tell you that some very famous traders that I learned from used only simple charts that they reviewed each morning prior to the market open. They have done and continue to do very well.

My two cents on systems: I use a handful of techniques which over time I have combined into a system of models that semi-automate my position decision making. They refllect my trading approach however and dont depend on overly expensive third party tools that require their own religion to use. The stuff I use was developed in-house over time. More automation only helps with the bottom line and is not truly necessary .....
 
Guys, thanks very much for the great input. Nitro, words from you are very much appreciated, and help to validate certain directions I've been working in. Thanks very much.

I have been taking a very minimal approach to things trading ES with just two charts, two timeframes, one MA in each, a $Tick and a 1 tick chart with b/a in it. I prefer simple too, and I would never toss cash at someone's fixall solution. I do however know a truly amazing trader/mentor who uses the JMA in a very simple capacity to pull an outstanding 20 pts/contract average per day. I'm sure it's completely a testament to his skill and not the product, but his recommendation was noteworthy to me. Alas, it is the trader, not the system. I'm sure of this.

I don't think it's a good idea to discount all technology sign-unseen, nor do I think it's a good idea to hope for a miracle solution like so many I've seen pontificated on ET. I have so far absorbed that 101% of what's for sale is BS. So, in short, I agree and thanks for the heads up.

Thanks guys and good trading!
 
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