Adapting to the Hybrid

Quote from eusdaiki:

I think that GS is going to be a lot of fun once it gets on the hybrid... right now it moves too much and the NYB quotes just sit there once the price has already moved... so you don't really know what the actual price is [not the price that shows on lvl 1, anyone can see that, but the price that you'll get if you buy/sell]

I usually play GS with the market. I know a guy that play it day in and day out. He told me he get better fills when he's in bigger size (1000 shares). I can't imagine GS going hybrid, its pretty horrible the way it is. So yea, you don't really know where he's going to fill you most of the time, but ECNs are usually there when you need them. I don't touch GS when its thin...
 
I dont know know what to base my trades off since there is no specialist to follow are there guys still making money who based there traded off specialist prints?
 
Quote from TraderClk:

I dont know know what to base my trades off since there is no specialist to follow are there guys still making money who based there traded off specialist prints?

You need a nimble program that looks for 5 cent moves in a stock and then hits it on a sweep, or have trigger points already entered to take advantage of a sweep. Working pretty well according to my guys. Need to anticipate.

Don
 
Quote from Don Bright:

You need a nimble program that looks for 5 cent moves in a stock and then hits it on a sweep, or have trigger points already entered to take advantage of a sweep. Working pretty well according to my guys. Need to anticipate.

Don

Whats a sweep and how do you base your entry points and exit points buyers and sellers are hard to read now with no specialist
 
Quote from Don Bright:

You need a nimble program that looks for 5 cent moves in a stock and then hits it on a sweep, or have trigger points already entered to take advantage of a sweep. Working pretty well according to my guys. Need to anticipate.

Don

Hey Don, I'm guessing your guys are taking the other side of the sweep? If a sweep order come in to wipe the book for 30-40 cents on the bid, your guys would buy into that to make the 20-30 cents? Or your guys would go in the flow of the sweep?
 
These hybrid bots are out of control. Every time I place a limit order, they jump in front of me. Scalping is becoming increasingly difficult in the nyse... They front run my 200 shares!!!:mad:
 
Quote from traderyin:

Hey Don, I'm guessing your guys are taking the other side of the sweep? If a sweep order come in to wipe the book for 30-40 cents on the bid, your guys would buy into that to make the 20-30 cents? Or your guys would go in the flow of the sweep?

Yeah, by having orders generated at the end of a sweep, or having bids/offers in place, they tend to fade the sweep. I've noticed that at times I may have a .66 bid on, with a .75 x .78 market, without changing the market, it goes "hybrid brown" and fills me, and then right back to normal pricing.

And, yes, the guys who always make money are still making money...although adapting once again.

Don
 
Quote from narballs:

a stock was at 40.10 by 40.13

I had order to sell 200 shares at 40.26.
I get filled and i noticed the bid offer really didn't change. what was the reason for this? did someone just sweep thru the openbook and the offer wasn't reflected?



i have seen that quite often too.. anybody knows why?
 
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